• AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.mlM
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    Also, critically, the majority of Mainland Chinese people (as surveyed by Western organisations like Harvard), support the CPC, think that they represent their interests and values, and believe that their future is better with the CPC than without.

    Therefore, one, the Chinese people in China don’t want or need your white saviour complex. Two, this notion that the people and the government exist as separate, independent entities where you can hate one and love the other, is entirely nonsensical.

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      It’s just a variant of the “hate the sin, love the sinner” lie that fundie types have had going on all my life.

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      Also, critically, the majority of Mainland Chinese people (as surveyed by Western organisations like Harvard), support the CPC

      This information would have been useful if people in China were not forbidden from not supporting it.

      Therefore, one, the Chinese people in China don’t want or need your white saviour complex.

      So then why would they need a communist party, which brings the message of salvation from a white European man? You call that representing Chinese values?

      Two, this notion that the people and the government exist as separate, independent entities where you can hate one and love the other, is entirely nonsensical.

      People everywhere in the world hate their governments. That’s quite normal. In the USA there are people who hate the US government but it doesn’t mean they hate themselves. A government is not this kind of sacrosanct symbol or representation of the nation as you are claiming, unless you believe in fascism where the state is supposedly this kind of unquestionable embodiment. In the USA that notion of, “If you question the government you hate America,” was held very strongly by the far-right. I would say it’s a far-right value.

      In any case, well-off people who sit atop a powerful and wealthy state are not in the same class as the working poor. Xi Jinping doesn’t work. He’s just a wealthy politician. His wealth is supported by the impoverished Chinese who sleep in the factories where they work. Then you tell me, that I must love the CPC in order to love China? No thanks. China existed for thousands of years without it and will in the future will continue to do so.

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    Another thing: to the people saying “Sure I live in the West, but I’m from Hong Kong/Taiwan/Japan/South Korea/etc etc, and the West likes the government in my native region, so why should I care if the West hates mainland Chinese people? This is your problem, not ours!”

    Do you seriously think no hate will come to you just because you’re not the designated Bad Asian? They can’t fucking tell us apart nor do they particularly give a shit about telling us apart. Besides the fact that hate crimes against all Asian ethnicities, not just Chinese people, have been on the rise following the drama with China and then covid, these are the people who have mistaken Native Americans for Mexicans, Sikhs for Arabs, etc, in their quest to be racist pieces of shit. If you’re Asian or even look vaguely Asian. You. Will. Be. Affected.

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    this notion that the people and the government exist as separate, independent entities where you can hate one and love the other, is entirely nonsensical.

    From where I live, it looks like a typical clash of two imperial mentalities, different only in their flags’ colours.

    Also “communist China”? Heeelllooo? State capitalism at its best.

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    This graphic is extremely misleading. I wonder, did you even read it before posting it? It only gives five examples, all of which are invalid. There are four examples of racism not at all related to political opposition to the Chinese communist party, and the fifth one is political but not racist. For most of them the PRC did not even exist at that time.

    This is a strange and illogical presentation. Whoever made this was just begging for a conclusion they had no evidence for.

    If you just want to say, “Oh there’s a history of racism against Chinese”, yes that’s true, but stop using that as an excuse for silencing legitimate criticism of bad policies. It’s only convenient and useful for you to talk about racism against Chinese, but you don’t say anything about when people in China are racist themselves.