• machinin@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Obviously the US and Europe isn’t up to countering the genocidal lunatics in charge of Israel. How else can we stop the genocide?

    Yes, nuclear proliferation is horrible, but MAD was the basis of much of the last century’s global framework for a reason. When you have a rogue nation like Israel threatening the whole region, I don’t know a better alternative. Do you?

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      9 months ago

      Why stop with Iran? Make sure we get the nukes into the hands of Hamas.

      That’s what you really want.

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        9 months ago

        For all your bitching in your post history about people putting words in your mouth, you sure are quick to misrepresent my position.

        So, in your opinion, how do you stop the genocidal and regionally destabilizing actions of Israel? How would you fight the psychopaths running that country?

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          9 months ago

          I would start with Hamas with accepting the cease-fire.

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            9 months ago

            So the genocide is all Hamas’s fault. Gotcha’.

            No wonder you get downvoted everywhere you post. You seem like an absolutely abhorrent individual.

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              9 months ago

              You asked me how to end it, I told you.

              But being pro-genocide of the Palestinian people, neither Hamas, nor their supporters (paid or otherwise) have an interest in seeing this end.

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                9 months ago

                So just surrending to the genocidal maniacs is the best way to stop the genocide.

                neither Hamas, nor their supporters (paid or otherwise) have an interest in seeing this end.

                So Israel could completely subvert Hamas’s plans by simply refraining from killing the children, women, civilians, journalists, aid workers, then allowing the aid convoys in with their food so people aren’t starving any more, rebuild the health care infrastructure they destroyed, liberate the children and civilians they are holding captive under military tribunals, returning stolen land to the Palestinians and tear down the apartheid apparatus. How could they lose with that strategy? Seems like a win for everyone involved, and you can defeat Hamas along with all the other benefits!

                For some reason, I don’t think the genocidal maniacs in Israel want that solution.

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                  9 months ago

                  Pro-Hamas drivel and I’m not interested in a conversation with somebody whose only goal is pushing both anti-Palestinian and anti-Israeli propaganda.

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                    9 months ago

                    So I imagine you think Israel is actually treating the Palestinians with respect and dignity?

                    Best that you scamper away from this little conversation. I think everyone sees you are part of the problem with Israel.

                    Fuck Israel.

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            9 months ago

            Hamas has offered a ceasefire since day one. Israel refuses because they want to commit Genocide.

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              9 months ago

              Why does Hamas keep rejecting the cease fire in negotiations?

              If you trust the words of terrorists, you are likely to get burned, and I would be careful, because sometimes the burning is literal.

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                What? Hamas didn’t reject ceasefires. Unless you are referring to israel wanting to hold a small 6 week pause in exchange for all the hostages and then continue their Genocide. Surely nobody is stupid enough to take that moronic offer seriously. Especially because israel would violate the it directly as they have already done during the previous one.

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                  So wait… you started with the position that Israel hasn’t offered a ceasefire, to Hamas would be idiots if they accepted a ceasefire.

                  Quite impressive rhetorically, but your rhetoric is getting innocent Palestinians killed.

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                    A 6 week “truce” and a real ceasefire are two entirely different things. Hamas has offers a real ceasefire. Israel always rejects it

                    If israel offers a 5 minute “ceasefire” in exchange for all the hostages are you enthusiastically going to praise them as well?

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        9 months ago

        They would have all their land and thousands more women and children alive and well if they did have them.

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          Imagine if Hamas actually had put the work in. Probably would have accomplished more than spending the last 20 years doing nothing but digging tunnels.

          Or you know, they could have had elections this entire time. Used the money Qatar gives them to build something for the Palestinian people besides forcing their citizens to commit terrorist attacks.

          It’s really a tragedy at every corner here.