TLDR: StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher and some other projects are being blocked on 24H2.

One more reason to switch to Linux

  • Shirasho@lemmings.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    227
    arrow-down
    15
    ·
    8 months ago

    Do NOT blame the devs for this. They are not the ones to decide the direction of the product or the priority of the tickets they work. Blame upper management for making these poor decisions and the product managers for being spineless and not pushing back.

    • bionicjoey
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      83
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      8 months ago

      But Steve Ballmer told me “Developers Developers Developers Developers”

      Are you saying that was a lie?

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        23
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        Meanwhile the new settings panel is telling me my network is private while control panel and network share settings tell me it’s domain authenticated.

          • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            8 months ago

            It would be funny if true.
            Sadly the reality is me calling with a client because this one single PC refuses to apply the damn GPOs… :(

            • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              8 months ago

              Every day I’m thankful for having found a job where in such a case I can just send out a pre-imaged replacement pc from the pile and have them send the old one back.

              • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                8 months ago

                I would like to. Sadly there are programs on it that can be reinstalled and configured by the respeonsible 3rd party but are still annoying.
                The best: No other pc has trouble applying the damn gpo.
                Even the DNS resolutiom seems to work on this shit thing… :|

                • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  8 months ago

                  I’d do a gpupdate /force on the client and look at the event viewer afterwards. If that doesn’t turn up anything helpful, reinstalling is the most economical option.

                  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    8 months ago

                    I have tried to narrow down the cause of the issue. Since I wasn’t successful I ultimately escalated the ticket to my colleague and communicated to the client that if they can’t narrow it down either, we will ultimately have to do that.
                    Not a pretty way to resolve the issue but sometimes it is like it is :/

                    My ultimate goal with every ticket is to not just close the problem but to resolve the root cause for the long term. But that (sadly) clashes with the amount of resources a client is willing to spent.
                    Solve the issue within 5min that arises every 10 days or so or solve the issue with 2 hours spent on troubleshooting and eliminating the issue

    • linearchaos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      8 months ago

      I’m pretty sure everybody knows it’s not just a couple of developers by themselves churning out windows. Even the project managers are just following orders. Marketing sets the tone upper management picks the path.

      • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        8 months ago

        Yeah . . . marketing – the department famous for being able to steer the flagship product of a trillion-dollar company.

        • BombOmOm@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          8 months ago

          He said marketing sets the tone (not the path), and that is absolutely true. Many products are killed or poorly received due to the tone poor marketing set.

          • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            16
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 months ago

            This is just nonsense that internet denizens tell themselves because they don’t like decisions made in board rooms and can’t conceptualize a business development team. Marketing is following orders just as much as some rando code monkey.

            • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              14
              ·
              8 months ago

              The scary truth is: The CEO scribbles “CLOUD 1ST”, “FOCUS ON ENTERPRISE” and “WIN AS A SERVICE” on a napkin during a 5-star dinner and everyone below them tries to make sense of it and translate it into a business strategy. No one is really in charge.

            • Promethiel@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              ·
              8 months ago

              Thank you. The one arena where the fault really does lie in few enough hands they fit around a biggish table, and the Internet instead makes a nebulous boogeyman out of “marketing” (don’t get it twisted either y’all, I condone zero of the bullshit marketing practices we all hate, but that’s also the same table of people) instead of the board.

              It’s not even secret information. The decision came from the minds of these folks (as they understood what they asked to be measured and think to steer to measure higher numbers of whatever they’re measuring):

              https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/corporate-governance/board-of-directors.aspx

    • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      Unfortunately, blaming the devs seems to be a recurring problem. I remember seeing this in a YouTube comment thread (paraphrased):

      why can’t i insert a bible reference without it becoming blue? i write proverbs 14:23 and youtube turns it into a damn timestamp. f-cking lazy developers, they removed dislikes, now keep preventing adblock and cannot detect a simple quote??

      I replied with something like:

      Hey, stop blaming the devs. It was not their decision to make the unpopular changes, and making a system for detecting if a comment is referring to a book with chapter:verse syntax (not just the bible, and all their versions & translations) is not something they would pay for. For the record, you can refer to Proverbs 14:​23 or any other verse without making it a link. I can show you how but first repent and apologize for undervaluing people’s hard work.

      (Yes, there’s just a ZWSP after the colon. It can be mapped to a key combo if one uses it often.) He did not answer but maybe didn’t see my reply buried way underneath – it was YouTube comments, after all. Legend says that bible references in his video description keep messing up his worship chapters.

    • umbrella@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      8 months ago

      i think its because these words are used interchangeably.

      when people say ‘devs’ i believe they mean the microsoft team in general

    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      8 months ago

      The devs are the people who, after seeing everything that Microsoft’s done for the past 30+ years, decided to take a job there anyway.

      • A Basil Plant@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        8 months ago

        That’s not a very valid argument.

        First and foremost, most devs probably see it as a job and they do what they’re told. They don’t have the power to refute decisions coming from above.

        Second, in this economy where jobs are scarer than a needle in multiple haystacks, people are desperate to get a job.

        Third, yes, there may be some Microsoft (M$) fan-people who end up being devs at M$. Sure, they may willingly implement the things upper management may request. However, I’m not sure whether that’s true for most of the people who work at M$.

        Your comment suggests to shift the blame to the devs who implement the features that upper management request for. Don’t shoot the (MSN) messenger.