I usually park my good bike with my good, strong lock in very public places so an angle grinder would probably cause someone to call the police, lol. But even so, an angle grinder would have to put itself to work on my lock. I had to get that lock, otherwise an insurance claim would be invalid in case the bike was stolen. Or so the bike store sales woman told me. 😬
This invokes an image of someone going through the trouble of cutting your bike and the bike rack in half just to steal the lock, which I find very amusing.
You are generalizing but I understand what you’re trying to say. Locks aren’t magical or anything, it’s just metal, right? But they work pretty well. Anybody could be tempted to take a bike if it’s just sitting there unlocked. Anybody.
But locked bikes are stolen much less than unlocked bikes, so locks work. Locks do keep people out. 🙂↕️
And here we arrive to the point of the original post. Value of the bike vs. Risk involved in retrieving it. A POS bike with a moderately good lock is far less likely to get stolen than a Canyon 7K e-bike with a lock that you can saw through in 3-4 minutes with a Li-ion battery powered angle grinder.
I think the point I’m trying to make is a good enough lock should prevent the theft. Unless the value is absolutely ridiculous. But of course if you can drag the slider of value infinitely high then yes, correct. But then I can also drag the slider of strong lock infinitely high.
Locks discourage theives, but don’t actually stop them. They can break your lock; the lock only helps if it makes it more effort than it’s worth, usually by making it easier to go steal the one further down the rack that has no lock, or a less secure lock.
But there are two halves to the equation: the difficulty of breaking the lock, and the value of the item that’s locked up. The more valuable the locked item is, the more effort is worthwhile. Thus, a rusty bike with a good lock is less likely to be stolen than a fancy new bike with a good lock
Battery operated angle grinders have removed the effectiveness of just about any lock. The idea is to be a less attractive target. Will someone risk getting beat up or arrested for a beater bike? How about an obviously expensive bike? The effort and potential punishment is the same, but one has a much high potential for reward. Even if they don’t take the whole bike, do you have expensive rims, etc?
A bike not worth stealing can still be all you need it to be, but not what someone else would take a risk for.
I guess I live in a place in the world where it isn’t such a big problem. I mean, bikes are stolen all the time here, but I park my bike in public places so that it won’t get stolen. I have a very big lock as well so even an angle grinder would have to go for a while, enough for people to wonder and maybe call the police.
I recently purchased a good lock because I got myself an escooter and figured I’d need something good to protect it well. I am still in shock by how much those locks cost, like holy I understand why but I just never expected it. Didn’t help that I forgot to check the price before taking it to the counter either I guess.
I still get anxious about parking my e-scooter though so I try to only bring it to places with secure areas or where I can fold it up and keep it with me.
I bought an e-bike worth a long penny and an u-lock to match, and the bike got stolen from the front of a busy shopping centre by guys in a van using portable angle grinders. Conveniently the security cameras were not in operation due to a system malfunction. I was inside the centre for about 10 minutes, so a real bummer. Thankfully I had also taken an anti-theft insurance that covered the out of pocket cost of my insurance, so mostly this was an annoyance, but also a valuable lesson.
Next time, stuff some C4 into the seat pole, and hook it up to the speaker leads of an Apple AirTag. If it ever gets stolen, the thieves will get a notification that they are being tracked, and when they try to trigger the AirTag’s speaker to see where it is, it will detonate the C4. And if they just don’t care or haven’t gotten around to it yet, you can do the same from the comfort of your own iPhone.
An old, ugly bike and a good bike lock. No one will ever steal it and can bring you wherever you want without the fear of leaving it in the wrong spot
Well now I want an old ugly bike. Where do you park yours? 😉
Isn’t that the point of the good bike lock? To prevent stealing even a good, new bike?
They don’t make bike locks good enough to stop an angle grinder
I usually park my good bike with my good, strong lock in very public places so an angle grinder would probably cause someone to call the police, lol. But even so, an angle grinder would have to put itself to work on my lock. I had to get that lock, otherwise an insurance claim would be invalid in case the bike was stolen. Or so the bike store sales woman told me. 😬
This was my logic as well. Bike got taken off from the front of a busy shopping centre, and nobody had bothered to get involved.
My roommate got his bike stolen in front of a busy café. When he arrived people showed him where the thief went.
It took a good minute for the thief to break through the lock in front a busy cafe and no one bats an eye.
If it’s a good bike, then someone might put in the effort to steal it. If it’s crap, they are more likely to steal the lock.
This invokes an image of someone going through the trouble of cutting your bike and the bike rack in half just to steal the lock, which I find very amusing.
then getting it rekeyed lol
locks don’t keep people from stealing, they only slow them.
I don’t think that’s true lol. But sure, some people will do anything they can in desperation. Surely it’s a spectrum of necessity.
if locks kept people out, there would be almost no theft, like 90% reduction. if someone wants in, they’re getting in.
You are generalizing but I understand what you’re trying to say. Locks aren’t magical or anything, it’s just metal, right? But they work pretty well. Anybody could be tempted to take a bike if it’s just sitting there unlocked. Anybody.
But locked bikes are stolen much less than unlocked bikes, so locks work. Locks do keep people out. 🙂↕️
And here we arrive to the point of the original post. Value of the bike vs. Risk involved in retrieving it. A POS bike with a moderately good lock is far less likely to get stolen than a Canyon 7K e-bike with a lock that you can saw through in 3-4 minutes with a Li-ion battery powered angle grinder.
🤷♂️
I think the point I’m trying to make is a good enough lock should prevent the theft. Unless the value is absolutely ridiculous. But of course if you can drag the slider of value infinitely high then yes, correct. But then I can also drag the slider of strong lock infinitely high.
Locks discourage theives, but don’t actually stop them. They can break your lock; the lock only helps if it makes it more effort than it’s worth, usually by making it easier to go steal the one further down the rack that has no lock, or a less secure lock.
But there are two halves to the equation: the difficulty of breaking the lock, and the value of the item that’s locked up. The more valuable the locked item is, the more effort is worthwhile. Thus, a rusty bike with a good lock is less likely to be stolen than a fancy new bike with a good lock
A discouraged thief is a stopped thief in my book. 🤷♂️
Then your book is probably full of shitty math, because you don’t seem to be counting whether or not they are discouraged enough
Battery operated angle grinders have removed the effectiveness of just about any lock. The idea is to be a less attractive target. Will someone risk getting beat up or arrested for a beater bike? How about an obviously expensive bike? The effort and potential punishment is the same, but one has a much high potential for reward. Even if they don’t take the whole bike, do you have expensive rims, etc?
A bike not worth stealing can still be all you need it to be, but not what someone else would take a risk for.
I guess I live in a place in the world where it isn’t such a big problem. I mean, bikes are stolen all the time here, but I park my bike in public places so that it won’t get stolen. I have a very big lock as well so even an angle grinder would have to go for a while, enough for people to wonder and maybe call the police.
I recently purchased a good lock because I got myself an escooter and figured I’d need something good to protect it well. I am still in shock by how much those locks cost, like holy I understand why but I just never expected it. Didn’t help that I forgot to check the price before taking it to the counter either I guess.
I still get anxious about parking my e-scooter though so I try to only bring it to places with secure areas or where I can fold it up and keep it with me.
I bought an e-bike worth a long penny and an u-lock to match, and the bike got stolen from the front of a busy shopping centre by guys in a van using portable angle grinders. Conveniently the security cameras were not in operation due to a system malfunction. I was inside the centre for about 10 minutes, so a real bummer. Thankfully I had also taken an anti-theft insurance that covered the out of pocket cost of my insurance, so mostly this was an annoyance, but also a valuable lesson.
Next time, stuff some C4 into the seat pole, and hook it up to the speaker leads of an Apple AirTag. If it ever gets stolen, the thieves will get a notification that they are being tracked, and when they try to trigger the AirTag’s speaker to see where it is, it will detonate the C4. And if they just don’t care or haven’t gotten around to it yet, you can do the same from the comfort of your own iPhone.