Trump also pulled US soldiers out of Syria, Iraq and Somalia.
Also as much as i love to blame stuff on Trump, Afghanistan failing was not his work alone, or even mainly his work. And Biden was happy to fully pull out of Afghanistan, instead of reversing Trump decision. But the USs proclaimed goal of stabilising and democratising Afghanistan was a sham from the very beginning under Bush. Heck even the “war on terror” angle was a lie, as all the US did was make insurgent groups stronger wherever they went.
Alright then. Go vote for Trump if you hate Biden so much. Let’s see where a second Trump presidency leads world peace and social progress. Because according to you, he’s so much better at doing this job than Biden who, outside of the whole Gaza conflict, has been praised for his work on so many levels.
And here you fall victim to the problem i was talking about in the first place. The US politics are so entrenched, that each election you rather want to chose the party that will fuck you over less badly this time, but by this enable both parties to fuck you over every time.
I’m not an US citizen so my perspective of course is different, but how the fuck can the majority of the voters in the US be fine with the choice being between two geriatrics with visible mental decline and think “yep this is as good as it gets”? How can the voters of the democrats let the party elites get away with another Biden candidacy?
But like a badly managed company only thinks about the next quarter, the US seems to only think about just the next term and never further.
I understand your point. But that’s absolutely not what we were talking about.
The arguments you made were basically in favor of Trump and voting for Trump over Biden because he wasn’t involved in any conflicts and reduced American military presence in the Middle East. You even hinted at saying he wasn’t a war monger and painted him like he’s working towards world peace when his actions are actually going to create more problems for world peace and more suffering worldwide instead of actively trying to prevent them.
Comparing a fascist wannabe dictator who incited an insurrection, used nepotism to put his family in high positions in one of the most powerful governments in the world, traded government and military secrets with foreign nations for money, defrauded practically everyone that’s ever worked with him, and so so so much more, who turned a whole party into a bunch of near Nazi level christo-fascist fanatics with Joe fucking Biden is rich.
None of these are foregin policy issues and none of these affect people outside the US directly. Which is why it is hard for us to see one candidate as better or worse than the other. It will always end up being the same shit for us anyways.
But maybe ask yourself this: Why did the system produce these two candidates again? Why is this the “best” the US can offer? What did the average Democrat voter do, to get a better candidate than Joe Biden from the Dems? Probably nothing. And why? Not being interested enough? Or feeling powerless anyways, because it is rigged with superpacs and billionaire donors anyways? Or because you have to work a second job, because you need to feed your children and yourself?
I can only point out to you again, that the political and economical system that produced Trump is the same system that produced Biden and everyone who is invested in that system will try to make sure that you keep staying inside the box they want you to stay in.
Trump also pulled US soldiers out of Syria, Iraq and Somalia.
Also as much as i love to blame stuff on Trump, Afghanistan failing was not his work alone, or even mainly his work. And Biden was happy to fully pull out of Afghanistan, instead of reversing Trump decision. But the USs proclaimed goal of stabilising and democratising Afghanistan was a sham from the very beginning under Bush. Heck even the “war on terror” angle was a lie, as all the US did was make insurgent groups stronger wherever they went.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/how-four-presidents-created-afghanistan-mess/index.html
Alright then. Go vote for Trump if you hate Biden so much. Let’s see where a second Trump presidency leads world peace and social progress. Because according to you, he’s so much better at doing this job than Biden who, outside of the whole Gaza conflict, has been praised for his work on so many levels.
And here you fall victim to the problem i was talking about in the first place. The US politics are so entrenched, that each election you rather want to chose the party that will fuck you over less badly this time, but by this enable both parties to fuck you over every time.
I’m not an US citizen so my perspective of course is different, but how the fuck can the majority of the voters in the US be fine with the choice being between two geriatrics with visible mental decline and think “yep this is as good as it gets”? How can the voters of the democrats let the party elites get away with another Biden candidacy?
But like a badly managed company only thinks about the next quarter, the US seems to only think about just the next term and never further.
I understand your point. But that’s absolutely not what we were talking about.
The arguments you made were basically in favor of Trump and voting for Trump over Biden because he wasn’t involved in any conflicts and reduced American military presence in the Middle East. You even hinted at saying he wasn’t a war monger and painted him like he’s working towards world peace when his actions are actually going to create more problems for world peace and more suffering worldwide instead of actively trying to prevent them.
My point was that in these regards Trump is not worse than Biden. Voting either party in this system will only reinforce them.
Comparing a fascist wannabe dictator who incited an insurrection, used nepotism to put his family in high positions in one of the most powerful governments in the world, traded government and military secrets with foreign nations for money, defrauded practically everyone that’s ever worked with him, and so so so much more, who turned a whole party into a bunch of near Nazi level christo-fascist fanatics with Joe fucking Biden is rich.
I’m done with you.
None of these are foregin policy issues and none of these affect people outside the US directly. Which is why it is hard for us to see one candidate as better or worse than the other. It will always end up being the same shit for us anyways.
But maybe ask yourself this: Why did the system produce these two candidates again? Why is this the “best” the US can offer? What did the average Democrat voter do, to get a better candidate than Joe Biden from the Dems? Probably nothing. And why? Not being interested enough? Or feeling powerless anyways, because it is rigged with superpacs and billionaire donors anyways? Or because you have to work a second job, because you need to feed your children and yourself?
I can only point out to you again, that the political and economical system that produced Trump is the same system that produced Biden and everyone who is invested in that system will try to make sure that you keep staying inside the box they want you to stay in.