• blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    Lots of good points here. I haven’t seen any successful federated platforms. One important thing the author forgets to mention is that these “centralized democratic systems” must be open source and self-hostable, which helps to keep their operators on their toes knowing that they are replaceable.

  • federico3@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    The article makes a lot of confusion between centralization vs distribution for technical reasons and issues around centralization of power. These are different topics and they don’t always go together.

    Also claiming that in a p2p environment everybody would need to run a server or have technical skill is incorrect.

  • Gritty@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    No one wants to talk to an empty room. That’s why I joined this Lemmy instance.

  • liminal@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    Very clickbaity title. It’s not concluded federation is bad, just that pursuing the ideal at all costs is a losing battle. Things naturally centralize, so we might as well make the big centre democratic. Wikipedia is fraught with problems and outside influence, but it’s a good example of democratic centralization I guess. Mastodon is still better for allowing federation with the big instances though.

  • Vegafjord eo@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    Very fun and interesting read, I wonder how the distribution of users among instances is today.

    • the_tech_beast@lemmy.mlOP
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      3 years ago

      Not much difference in distribution of users. There are a lot more instances to choose from. But a large number of users are on the main instance. For example in the case of mastodon, most of the user base is still on https://mastodon.online and mastodon.social.

      https://matrix.org has the same problem. There are basically millions (I need to find the source for this number, I remember seeing it mentioned somewhere) of users on this instance and not even a number close to this on other servers.

      • Vegafjord eo@lemmy.ml
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        3 years ago

        I think we need to emphasize this topic more in digital issues. The matter of decentralization culture within the fediverse. How can we incentivize self hosting?

        I think for example that Small Technology Foundation, Masto Host and Spacebear Federation brings a good impact on this. I think we also need to focus on making it easier for regular people to influence development so that we can better make self hosting accessable.

        • the_tech_beast@lemmy.mlOP
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          3 years ago

          I agree. Currently , self hosting a service is somewhat difficult. It also requires some amount of technical knowledge. Some services can be installed just by entering one command - Nextcloud? While some other services are much more difficult to set up and get it running. Maintaining, updating and backing up is another story and is time consuming.

          Also, not everyone can afford to pay money for hosting an instance.

          I hope more services similar to mastohost will appear and become popular.

  • xerom@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    What I hoped for out of federation is the old internet paradigms in which platforms thereby power is fleeting. Regular revolution was expected in other words platforms had a short life expectancy. Trust really was thin as well. While we may have been rather naive in trusting the random guy running a forum out of his garage was nothing more than appearances. Even then there still held a tenuous level of trust in anybody. The userbase would all pack up and leave in an instant. Power used to be fragile and it was good.

    In the latest example with Twitch being entirely compromised probably would have sunk the company in yesteryear. Today it’s but a momentary blip.

    Btw Rosenzweig is some how mentally/intellectually 10 years older than she actually is. Incredible.