@Whom@lemmy.ml
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I love firefox and can usually make excuses to myself for them but I’m tired of keeping up with whatever bullshit they’re trying today. To librewolf I guess.

@Lunacy@lemmy.ml
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Ditching Firefox for Librewolf is not a solution. Librewolf is just a fork Firefox. If Firefox wouldn’t exist anymore, neither does Librewolf.

@avalos@lemmy.ml
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Librewolf is not even a fork of Firefox. It’s a collection of patches to “purify” Firefox and rebrand it as Librewolf.

@Lunacy@lemmy.ml
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This project is an independent “fork” of Firefox, with the primary goals of privacy security and user freedom. It is the community run successor to LibreFox

It seems like a fork to me.

https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/docs/

Also, the “patches” consist in the removal of telemetry, which again be disabled in the settings or through the about:config.

A browser needs an high amount of money an people working on it, it’s not sometimes that can be done by a few individuals. Forks of Firefox are alive because Firefox is alive. No Firefox , no forks.

@Whom@lemmy.ml
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It definitely isn’t a solution to any wider problems, but for my needs it’s the best gecko-based browser.

@nlfx@lemmy.ml
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There is something seriously wrong with Mozilla leadership. They keep alienating the small privacy-focussed userbase they have left, and then act surprised when Firefox’s marketshare keeps shrinking…

Baker needs to go and be replaced by someone who cares about Firefox long term viability instead of only caring about how many millions more they can add to their obscene salary while destroying Firefox and everything else that Mozilla built over the years.

@Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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Always is not an homophobic/xenophobic/racist/transphobic/sexist/otherkindofdistrimination…

yikes sweaty, mozilla’s ceo is a proud bipoc trans woman. stop being so hateful

Dessalines
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No one mentioned that, at all. Are you another troll account for @SupportTransPeople@lemmy.ml ?

@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
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My guess instantly went towards the same possible conclusion. I think this person simply knows about what notions Lemmy users hold and is trolling the entirety of Lemmy users for fun (or for revenge as soferman once promised us).

who

@adrianmalacoda@lemmy.ml
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People are going to complain no matter how they try to make money, but this should at least have been opt-in with clear consent. The alternative of course is being beholden to Google search referrals.

Vivaldi, Brave, and their stans are getting their pitchforks ready, forgetting that they don’t have to do the hard work of developing an engine because Google already does that for them.

Vivaldi, Brave, and their stans are getting their pitchforks ready, forgetting that they don’t have to do the hard work of developing an engine because Google already does that for them.

I don’t know about how Vivaldi works, but Brave stans can shut up. Their ad system is a hundred times worse than Mozilla’s.

I mean, I don’t like how they went about this either, but considering the alternative of a 100% Google dominated browser space, and the fact that you can just disable it and the base Firefox code is still open source, it’s not a huge deal.

Vivaldi is closed source. It uses Chromium’s base and adds its closed code on top of it and claims it improves security and performance.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/

It’s the Vivaldi brand

The Vivaldi UI is truly what makes the browser unique. As such, it is our most valuable asset in terms of code.

We don’t publish it under an open-source license and only release obfuscated versions of it.

​​If a new project based on our code implements features that are fundamentally against our ethics (damaging to human rights or to the environment in some way, for instance)

Even though most of the security-relevant code for Vivaldi browser is in Chromium, there is some security-relevant code in the UI as well.

Evan
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I rarely use closed source software. My exceptions are

  • Windows
    • Because I need to run
      • Photoshop
  • DuckDuckGo (actually good FOSS search engine when?)
  • Vivaldi

Vivaldi just works so wonderful. Once you use it you can’t go back (Check out the in browser mail client). I really wish they were FOSS though.

@AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
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Vivaldi just works so wonderful. Once you use it you can’t go back (Check out the in browser mail client). I really wish they were FOSS though.

It doesn’t matter to me how much better Vivaldi works over Firefox or even Base Chromium. TBH, this is just something I’m willing to sacrifice in the name of FLOSS. iPhones and Macs are amazingly user friendly too, but I still avoid them like the plague because of Apple’s absolute hatred of FLOSS and especially Right to Repair.

Well, would you not say UX ease depends on audience? I love me a bunch of fast CLI tools on Linux, and nothing comes close to processing thousands of JPGs as jpegoptim. I also like GUI tools. Ease of use is contextual, and in fact a lot of people struggle with Apple devices that are familiar with Windows and Android.

Vivaldi is closed source, and I am going to avoid closed source stuff that acts as a gateway host for me to access the internet.

Windows can be used inside a VM, and GPU passthrough is easy to do with KVM.

@adrianmalacoda@lemmy.ml
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Yeah, I’m not really defending them (from my point of view any feature that does something without my knowledge or consent being turned on by default is unacceptable) but from my point of view they’ll always have to dance with a devil of some sort. I say people are going to complain no matter what based on past experiences: e.g. the “sponsored content on new tab”, where they made sure to run all the “recommendation” logic locally so that no data was being sent out of the browser, that still wasn’t enough because “ads are bad.” So maybe from Mozilla’s point of view there is no incentive to try to make these folks happy. People complained whenever they tried to offer Pocket or the VPN thing or the password manager because those weren’t “core products” but they’re also not allowed to monetize the “core product” either. It’s like these people expect Mozilla to be able to synthesize money from air.

I think I’m starting to come around to Drew DeVault’s position that it is impossible to implement the web as it exists today.

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Yeah sure, but I’m not very convinced this is the best way for them to make money. And you also have to keep in mind that company internal decisions have been really bad, which got augmented by covid. The whole absurd CEO salary is a fine example of the downhill path Mozilla is taking…

@stopit@lemmy.ml
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111d

I understand what you (and many other say) but…why not give some alternative ideas on how to make money as well?

@snackwifi@lemmy.ml
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What a shame - ads really do have a way of injecting themselves into everything. Who wants to take bets on how ads will make their way into lemmy?

Dessalines
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211d

We’ve been running for like 2 years now sticking to our commitment of no ads. I’d sooner shut down the project than succumb to that. We’ll always be donation funded.

@snackwifi@lemmy.ml
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I have complete faith in you, Dessalines. It’s maintainers who come after you I’d be more pessimistic about. In any case,🤞

Dessalines
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210d

Haha no probs, very understandable. We’ve seen too many projects go that way 😞

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