• bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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    11 months ago

    Israel: bombs and invades Palestine

    Palestine fighting back is wrong.

    Yemen: bombs ships serving Israel

    America fighting back is... right?

    I feel bad for American voters. The last time military action was taken without congressional approval it led to a 20 year war resulting in a million dead Iraqis and the Taliban government back in power in Afghanistan (among other completely preventable atrocities, like this).

    The hypnotism of American exceptionalism is requiring an almost lethal dose of ignorance to continue to work.

    Edit: Wrong. Congress approved military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. They were lied to by the Bush administration but they did in fact approve both.

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      Wrong. Congress approved military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. They were lied to by the Bush administration but they did in fact approve both.

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          If you’re going to make a low-effort comment asking someone to read, at least make an effort to cite something for them to read.

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        My take on it:

        Powerful nations almost inevitably sponsor terrorist groups to be a thorn in the side for other nations. These terrorists target civilians to ensure a disproportionate response. There is no end to these conflicts because the primary fighters have no desire to negotiate and are willing to sacrifice any civilians around them as meat shields.

        The U.S. does it (Taliban v1, many coups). Israel does it (Hamas). Iran does it (Hamas, Hezbolla and Yemen). Russia does it (Taliban v2, many coups).

        Can’t remember hearing about China or India doing it though? But they care about a different part of the world and so I’m not sure I hear about it as much in western media.

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          Yes, and even within a country there are often various factions taking action at the same time but with different aims, like when American president JFK wouldn’t send reinforcements for the Bay of Pigs invasion and the coup was foiled.

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          China supports and backs the MNDAA, which is nominally a terrorist organization but really (like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Ansarallah) probably does a better job of governance than the Myanmar government.

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        Two USN sailors reportedly went “missing” off the coast of Somalia (which, coincidentally, is also off the coast of Yemen).

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      Who is arguing that Israel fighting back is wrong? Almost everyone recognizes that Israel has the right to self defense, but most people who think that also believes their response is at least disproportionate.

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        Who is arguing that Israel fighting back is wrong?

        Most of the world thinks that. They would also take issue with you characterizing what Israel is doing as “fighting back” and “self defense”. Self-defense is when you steal land, ethnically cleanse the inhabitants, force them into a small area, then besiege them there for decades, and then blow the whole place up. Because some of them dared take up arms and broke out. You know, self defense!

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          would also take issue with you characterizing what Israel is doing as “fighting back” and “self defense”.

          Literally in the next sentence I make it obvious I don’t believe this is the case. And this is upvoted. Amazing how irrational people can be.

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        The reason foreigners are forced to think about the burger empire is because it’s causing constant suffering for the rest of the world. US needs to be lanced like a boil, so that the rest of humanity can finally breathe a sigh of relief.

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          Don’t you think that would be like “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”? Usually when terrorists are taken out violently they are replaced by even more extreme terrorists.

          How do you think it would actually play out if the burger empire vanished?

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            I think we’re already seeing how it’s playing out. We’re moving towards a multipolar world that’s no longer going to be dominated by a single power. Your analogy doesn’t really make sense on a geopolitical level either. For example, the one power that can match the US today is China, and China hasn’t been to war since the 70s, it’s lifted over 800 million people out of poverty, and managed to establish mutually beneficial relationships with countries all across the world. The path of oppression and domination that US chose isn’t the only way of human relations. US behaves the way it does because it is a fascist state, and fascism must be defeated for humanity to flourish.