• Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 months ago

        I’ve known plenty of “dumb” people who weren’t genocidal. It’s less an indication of intelligence and more an indication of an evil soul.

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        11 months ago

        They are not dumb. Anyone who supports Israel is a fascist terrorist that should go get Tbag’d on frontlines against Hamas, or if they did not forget Ukraine, go there and get killed by Russian peacemakers.

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          11 months ago

          Whats their position? We want your land so we are going to kill you for it?

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            11 months ago

            That plus “we’re God’s chosen people” so killing civilians is A-OK.

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              11 months ago

              Hasn’t Israel taken land without permission for decades?

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                  11 months ago

                  Well, if people can’t get justice, they will take matters into their own hand.

                  You don’t shit in your water supply and wonder why disease runs rampant.

                  It might not be right, but it’s definitely predictable.

                  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                    11 months ago

                    Mess with the bull, get the horns. I get it. I had sympathy for Hamas and thought a two state solution would work until October 7th.

                    Let’s remember how we got to the current state of play: orchestrated mass shootings of civilians along with kidnapping, mutilation, and rape.

                    Lets also remember it’s only within the last generation or two that things like this could happen and everyone knows about it. In the recent past, they didn’t even have to bother with things like reasons.

                    However, do you think after 9/11 anyone wanted to hear about a country for Al Qaeda? They wouldn’t even let American Muslims build a new Mosque for a while, let alone give statehood for Al Qaeda.

              • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                11 months ago

                Okay well that cannot be changed now. What’s the way forward? You’re saying a two state solution.

                Hamas will not agree. Palestinian people might. But most of them support Hamas, especially in Gaza where Hamas has like 90% support, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

                In furtherance of that goal they’ve launched tens of thousands of rockets at Israel from inside Gaza, a tiny little area not much bigger than a medium sized American city, until October 7th. I have zero sympathy for Hamas.

                I have a little sympathy for Gazans who support Hamas out of necessity.

                In this war so far Israel has killed 1% of the population of Gaza and 0.004% of Palestinians overall. That’s not a genocide.

                I think they went too far and don’t support their current tact, but I think Israel has every right to bomb the Gazan tunnels out of existence and to capture *or kill anyone giving aid to Hamas.

                I want the bombing and death to stop. Hamas won’t do that, though. So it continues.

                E: or not and

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                  And why do you think that Hamas has the support ot does?

                  If a government consistently took land from my people the way that it has happened in Palestine, I probably would be radicalised as well.

                  If Israel wants to stop shit they are going to have to eat crow, and the same goes for Hamas.

                  Neither side is trustworthy.

                  When you start talking about deaths with full percentage points of a population you kind of lose the moral high ground. Why do you think they’re killing those people? How many Israelis have died due to those rockets?

                  Hamas are terrorists, but the Israeli gov. is conducting a genocide with “police action” as a shoddy cover.

                  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                    What is the evidence for a genocide? There are a proportionately 150 times fewer civilian casualties than in the US war in Iraq. 0.004% of all Palestinian people.

                    I support a two state solution and thought it was possible, maybe naively, until October 7.

                    I’m not looking for the moral high ground. I’m looking at it from the standpoint that people have to live in organized societies and people need to lead those places.

                    Certainly Israel has the capability right now to carpet bomb all of Gaza and all of the West Bank into a pile of small rocks.

                    If it’s a genocide, why aren’t they?

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          The prime minister has an axe to grind with Palestine because his own brother was killed in an operation ~50 years ago. He’s stated many times that he has no intention of any kind of peace and he’s only using a tragedy to take revenge. It’s no different than the u.s. going into Afghanistan after 9/11 and then using that as a foothold when they invaded Iraq under dubious circumstances. It’s completely indefensible.

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          Ah - wonderful!

          I’ve not heard a remotely defensible explanation for the ongoing genocidal land grab, but I do wonder what could conceivably justify it.

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      11 months ago

      “They started it.” “We are the real victims here.” “Antisemitic terrorists”

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      That’s hilarious… and the blue-pills are even more hilarious. Actually, it’s quite sad.