• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Okay well that cannot be changed now. What’s the way forward? You’re saying a two state solution.

    Hamas will not agree. Palestinian people might. But most of them support Hamas, especially in Gaza where Hamas has like 90% support, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

    In furtherance of that goal they’ve launched tens of thousands of rockets at Israel from inside Gaza, a tiny little area not much bigger than a medium sized American city, until October 7th. I have zero sympathy for Hamas.

    I have a little sympathy for Gazans who support Hamas out of necessity.

    In this war so far Israel has killed 1% of the population of Gaza and 0.004% of Palestinians overall. That’s not a genocide.

    I think they went too far and don’t support their current tact, but I think Israel has every right to bomb the Gazan tunnels out of existence and to capture *or kill anyone giving aid to Hamas.

    I want the bombing and death to stop. Hamas won’t do that, though. So it continues.

    E: or not and

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      10 months ago

      And why do you think that Hamas has the support ot does?

      If a government consistently took land from my people the way that it has happened in Palestine, I probably would be radicalised as well.

      If Israel wants to stop shit they are going to have to eat crow, and the same goes for Hamas.

      Neither side is trustworthy.

      When you start talking about deaths with full percentage points of a population you kind of lose the moral high ground. Why do you think they’re killing those people? How many Israelis have died due to those rockets?

      Hamas are terrorists, but the Israeli gov. is conducting a genocide with “police action” as a shoddy cover.

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        10 months ago

        What is the evidence for a genocide? There are a proportionately 150 times fewer civilian casualties than in the US war in Iraq. 0.004% of all Palestinian people.

        I support a two state solution and thought it was possible, maybe naively, until October 7.

        I’m not looking for the moral high ground. I’m looking at it from the standpoint that people have to live in organized societies and people need to lead those places.

        Certainly Israel has the capability right now to carpet bomb all of Gaza and all of the West Bank into a pile of small rocks.

        If it’s a genocide, why aren’t they?

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          10 months ago

          1 in a 100 people sounds like fucking genocide.

          If the Israeli gov. wanted a 2 state solution they could have had it sometime in the 1970’s

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            10 months ago

            Okay well that was 50 years ago, and the kind of thinking that got us here in the first place. What’s the way forward?

            1 in 100 is genocide? Genocide involves the intent to totally eliminate a people.

            You’re saying that’s Israels intent and goal, right?

            Why, in your view, are they failing so spectacularly at that?

            They have absolute air superiority in the region and could annihilate every structure in Gaza within twenty minutes, I have no doubt.

            Why is the daily death toll trending downward with only 1% deceased? Shouldn’t Israel be getting more efficient at killing civilians if genocide is their intent?