In a recent interview with far-right U.S. media site Breitbart, Smith handed Carney a gift-wrapped sledgehammer in the form of an admission that Pierre Poilievre would be "in sync" with Trump.
This is the data from the 2023 provincial election, so I guess that depends on what exodus you’re referring to.
Considering the NDP only needs to flip 6 ridings for an AB majority, and there are at least 6 to flip in Calgary, and that Nenshi is the leader of the NDP now… I think AB will likely see an NDP government next time based on that math alone. Smith being a fucking national embarrassment is just the icing on the cake.
I’m an old guy so I get it. Also there is a narrative about AB at a national level that’s hard to shake.
Flipping (the ideally located) 1380 votes in AB in 2023 would have produced an NDP majority. I don’t think Canada really understands the razors Edge that AB sits on.
I lived in Alberta for a long time. My wife is from there. The oil and gas boom really changed the political landscape. Lots of folks do not understand that happened at all. They just run with the typical Alberta Redneck sentiment. The influx of folks from all over made Alberta a lot less conservative and more open.
It also pushed out some wealthy individuals into BC who now seem to be also affecting that political landscape now that one can only assume they have set their claws in the conservative party of BC.
I disagree with that. I had been there already well over a decade as were many of my friends and coworkers during the rise of the NDP. We moved there during the Klien government. Alberta was our home at that point though we were from away and many of us ended up moving out of Alberta during the downturn years.
It’s possible that transient voters helped push the needle, but the “deconservativeing” of AB may also be a result of the less exciting explanation of urbanization. In general, urban populations trend “left”, and simply put, the share of the total voters (and seats) in urban areas has grown meaningfully since Klien.
Fair enough, I was only there for a handful of years, but did get to see an NDP premier so was happy with that. I was more meaning that the history is there, Alberta has historically supported NDP politics (especially since as I said, the CCF originates there) and the people I know who were born and raised there definitely still do. Alberta’s work/corporate culture I do legitimately miss compared to the bay street one I deal with now, I found it more open and willing to try things for example.
Yea younger generations seem to be typically more forward thinking. Thankfully. I don’t work anymore but I enjoyed it. I did a lot of things I wouldn’t have been able to elsewhere without a ton of formal education. I learned a lot living there. It really was home and still is in a way.
They do not. Please quit with the stereotyping of all of Alberta as being some kind of “Texas North.” Last election was a near 50/50 split between Conservative and NDP, and we’ve had an NDP government in the recent past. Would not be at all surprised if we have an NDP government next election, most Albertans are not fine with foreign governments taking over Canada.
I said it was a near 50/50 split. It happened to fall on the Danielle Smith side of that split, and so she won the election. If just a few percent more had gone NDP then it would have been the other way around. This is fairly typical of how elections work, I’m not sure what more needs to be explained.
The actual popular vote split was 52.63%/44.05%, though of course thanks to first-past-the-post the split of the number of seats in the legislature wasn’t as close as that. The maps look bluer because of the huge sparsely-populated rural regions that voted Conservative, but remember, land doesn’t vote. Those huge sparsely-populated rural regions don’t have as many representatives as the cities.
I’m not asking anyone to “have faith.” I’m just asking you to recognize that statements like:
Albertans remain fine with her election interference and helping foreign govts take over Canada
Are an inaccurate and frankly downright offensive stereotype. Albertans are not “fine” with helping foreign governments take over Canada. That statement is tarring an entire population with a vile accusation.
Since we’re in the doldrums between elections I don’t imagine a whole lot of polling is being done right now, so no idea when that will update. But even with the numbers as they are, it’s really not bad - NDP got 44% last election so 41% is still in the same ballpark, and the NDP has a new leader that obviously hasn’t done any campaigning. He’s a former mayor of Calgary and Calgary’s the battleground that the election hinged on last time around.
I’d imagine most of Alberta is left leaning like the rest of the country and similarly has their left votes split over multiple parties, making it a lot easier for conservatives to win. Same problem we all have really. It just takes a really small nudge of conservatism to tip the scales
Nope, there’s currently only really two parties. In fact, vote splitting between the UCP and Greens might actually have given the NDP some seats.
About 52 percent wanted the UCP and about 44 percent wanted the NDP.
The fact that we have no legal method of stopping her doesn’t mean we’re fine with what she’s doing.
We hold elections every once in a while, like other provinces. It’s unfortunate there isn’t one in the immediate future, but eventually there will be one and right now I’m not liking her odds.
They do not, and this is an offensive stereotype. Half of Albertans didn’t even vote for her, and I’m sure a substantial portion of those who did are not “fine” with her helping foreign governments take over Canada.
According to a recent poll 12% of Albertans would “definitely consider” joining the US. Sounds bad, yeah? But Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario come right behind at 11%. Should we also say “Ontarians are fine with helping foreign governments take over Canada”?
And yet Albertans remain fine with her election interference and helping foreign govts take over Canada.
Statistically speaking, Albertans are as likely to vote NDP in a provincial election as people from BC are.
Serious question…even after the Exodus of people from other provinces who affected the provincial election outcomes previously?
This is the data from the 2023 provincial election, so I guess that depends on what exodus you’re referring to.
Considering the NDP only needs to flip 6 ridings for an AB majority, and there are at least 6 to flip in Calgary, and that Nenshi is the leader of the NDP now… I think AB will likely see an NDP government next time based on that math alone. Smith being a fucking national embarrassment is just the icing on the cake.
Thank you. I wasn’t looking at when the numbers were from. Silly old guy stuff. Careful it happens to everyone eventually.
I’m an old guy so I get it. Also there is a narrative about AB at a national level that’s hard to shake.
Flipping (the ideally located) 1380 votes in AB in 2023 would have produced an NDP majority. I don’t think Canada really understands the razors Edge that AB sits on.
I lived in Alberta for a long time. My wife is from there. The oil and gas boom really changed the political landscape. Lots of folks do not understand that happened at all. They just run with the typical Alberta Redneck sentiment. The influx of folks from all over made Alberta a lot less conservative and more open.
It also pushed out some wealthy individuals into BC who now seem to be also affecting that political landscape now that one can only assume they have set their claws in the conservative party of BC.
Shit, the NDP via the CCF originates in Calgary, IMO Notley was premier because of Albertans, not because of us who were only there for a few years.
I disagree with that. I had been there already well over a decade as were many of my friends and coworkers during the rise of the NDP. We moved there during the Klien government. Alberta was our home at that point though we were from away and many of us ended up moving out of Alberta during the downturn years.
It’s possible that transient voters helped push the needle, but the “deconservativeing” of AB may also be a result of the less exciting explanation of urbanization. In general, urban populations trend “left”, and simply put, the share of the total voters (and seats) in urban areas has grown meaningfully since Klien.
Could be a lil’ of both, too.
Fair enough, I was only there for a handful of years, but did get to see an NDP premier so was happy with that. I was more meaning that the history is there, Alberta has historically supported NDP politics (especially since as I said, the CCF originates there) and the people I know who were born and raised there definitely still do. Alberta’s work/corporate culture I do legitimately miss compared to the bay street one I deal with now, I found it more open and willing to try things for example.
Yea younger generations seem to be typically more forward thinking. Thankfully. I don’t work anymore but I enjoyed it. I did a lot of things I wouldn’t have been able to elsewhere without a ton of formal education. I learned a lot living there. It really was home and still is in a way.
They do not. Please quit with the stereotyping of all of Alberta as being some kind of “Texas North.” Last election was a near 50/50 split between Conservative and NDP, and we’ve had an NDP government in the recent past. Would not be at all surprised if we have an NDP government next election, most Albertans are not fine with foreign governments taking over Canada.
How do you explain Danielle Smith then? I know the citites go NDP but most of AB is conservative.
I said it was a near 50/50 split. It happened to fall on the Danielle Smith side of that split, and so she won the election. If just a few percent more had gone NDP then it would have been the other way around. This is fairly typical of how elections work, I’m not sure what more needs to be explained.
The actual popular vote split was 52.63%/44.05%, though of course thanks to first-past-the-post the split of the number of seats in the legislature wasn’t as close as that. The maps look bluer because of the huge sparsely-populated rural regions that voted Conservative, but remember, land doesn’t vote. Those huge sparsely-populated rural regions don’t have as many representatives as the cities.
I’ll have faith in AB again if you guys vote in Nenshi next time.
I’m not asking anyone to “have faith.” I’m just asking you to recognize that statements like:
Are an inaccurate and frankly downright offensive stereotype. Albertans are not “fine” with helping foreign governments take over Canada. That statement is tarring an entire population with a vile accusation.
Unfortunately… https://338canada.com/alberta/
Hopefully though once a more recent poll is run we’ll see UCP support collapse. And it’s still about 2 and a half years until the next election.
Yeah, I’m skeptical about those numbers. They’re from February 9, and that’s about when Trump’s 51st-state bullshit first started making headlines. Nobody would have known what Smith’s reaction would be yet.
Since we’re in the doldrums between elections I don’t imagine a whole lot of polling is being done right now, so no idea when that will update. But even with the numbers as they are, it’s really not bad - NDP got 44% last election so 41% is still in the same ballpark, and the NDP has a new leader that obviously hasn’t done any campaigning. He’s a former mayor of Calgary and Calgary’s the battleground that the election hinged on last time around.
The same thing we do to Murcans. The all need to burn because they voted for Trump.
I’d imagine most of Alberta is left leaning like the rest of the country and similarly has their left votes split over multiple parties, making it a lot easier for conservatives to win. Same problem we all have really. It just takes a really small nudge of conservatism to tip the scales
Is that what’s up?
Nope, there’s currently only really two parties. In fact, vote splitting between the UCP and Greens might actually have given the NDP some seats. About 52 percent wanted the UCP and about 44 percent wanted the NDP.
What can AB feasibly do about Marlaina right now though?
The fact that we have no legal method of stopping her doesn’t mean we’re fine with what she’s doing.
We hold elections every once in a while, like other provinces. It’s unfortunate there isn’t one in the immediate future, but eventually there will be one and right now I’m not liking her odds.
They encourage it in fact.
They do not, and this is an offensive stereotype. Half of Albertans didn’t even vote for her, and I’m sure a substantial portion of those who did are not “fine” with her helping foreign governments take over Canada.
According to a recent poll 12% of Albertans would “definitely consider” joining the US. Sounds bad, yeah? But Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario come right behind at 11%. Should we also say “Ontarians are fine with helping foreign governments take over Canada”?
Smith herself was a 6th round pick.