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  • Their federation doesn’t work the same as Lemmy & Mastodon there’s no federation to individual servers.

    If Bluesky introduced ads to their app, you can take all Bluesky data from the relay and host your own app without ads. This is working today and easy to do.

    If they started charging for access to the relay you can host your own relay and it will parse all users data for you to use. This is also working today but it’s a little expensive.

    Something would have to SIGNIFICANTLY change with the protocol for Bluesky to change how the relay interacts with the PDS, that would require such a large infrastructure change there’s no reason even questioning further.

    The reason you don’t see anyone doing it right now is because there’s not much incentive to. On Lemmy we’re each on our own little “community” but Bluesky is just here’s everyones data no matter what when hosting a relay.


  • I actually view it the opposite. Lemmy isn’t necessarily doomed from the start but we will not reach mass adoption because we are too clunky to use for most users because of its distributed nature.

    Bluesky has enabled tons of non tech users to immediately reap the rewards without having to worry about instances or who can see their posts, while maintaining decentralization (albeit with a high cost).

    The true path forward will probably be a world like Bluesky but instead of running your own relay, you’re contributing compute power to a Kubernetes cluster. Instances and having to worry about federation is far too clunky for most users, it’s the reason mastodon never saw mass adoption while Bluesky almost immediately did.











  • it’s that the amount of people that want fascism is way too high

    Perhaps in the Midwest, but I believe there are areas of the US that this doesn’t represent such as the west coast.

    I see a split amongst US inevitable and it was basically written in stone the day the Democrats supported genocide and again each time they choose billionaires over their constituents. In my opinion we need to start moving these states in that direction.




  • You won’t be able to do a thing without some level of invasion of privacy (phone # verification would probably be the best).

    We’re unfortunately rapidly approaching the point where we have to make a decision A) a little invasion or B) allowing bots to roam free and spread propaganda across all major social platforms. Even if you choose path A it’s up to the platform to implement it properly. See tiktok the racism and propaganda there has SKYROCKETED since being “allowed” to stay in the US (backdoor agreements to allow propaganda bots)



  • You’re actually right they are decentralized and your account would continue existing if you had your own PDS and either you or someone else was running a relay.

    The OP above is essentially saying what if the relay goes down, but anyone can run a relay it just costs a few hundred a month and there’s little reason to do so (right now).

    Usually people on this side of the Fediverse aren’t in the know on the AT Proto inner workings.

    One thing you can point out is protocol ownership, Bluesky owns the AT Proto protocol and can change it however they like while ActivityPub is a W3C ownership so a lot more resilient (albeit slower changes)


  • They are decentralized, the architecture is just more complicated and harder to run, but they are in fact decentralized.

    You can run your own pds(data host), relay (pulls data from all pds), app view (app frontend), moderation (still in progress albeit), and even algorithms.

    We have to stop saying they aren’t decentralized just because it’s more complicated and restrictive, large social media platforms will inherently be complicated and expensive in order to be reliant and fast.