• TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    it’s kinda obvious that Russia is the main aggressor here.

    Russia has been the main aggressor now since the past 7 years according to Western fake news outlets. 6 below + current gaslighting attempt.

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      Dude, this screams of an attempt to discredit all information regarding the matter. Sure, headlines like this need to be considered, however, the information regarding the matter is not discredited because “OMG WEST POSTS ABOUT THIS”.

      Russia has been the main aggressor now since the past 7 years according to Western fake news

      Well lets examine some events here:

      • Invasion of Crimea
      • Mock Referendum in Crimea (I’m curious how someone could rationalise those questions)
      • Sponsoring separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk
      • Providing military equipment to the separatists
      • Unmarked soldiers
      • Downing of MH17
      • Rocketing Mariupol

      Considering the points above, yes… Russia has been an aggressor for this period of time :)

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        Just going to tell that there are no “boots on the ground” and Crimea’s invasion has a bit different background behind it. It is not like Putin woke up one day and announced “let’s go play boys!” Also, what is this crap about Donetsk and Luhansk having separatists? If they announced their independence after Ukraine cutting off their water supply and all those shenanigans, why does Ukraine have an issue?

        “Providing military equipment to the separatists” is done by USA and NATO countries throughout, and we can discuss Azov Battalion in national military as well.

        You can also discuss about the UN resolution vote against Nazism 2 months ago, and why USA always votes “NO” in that vote since the past 15 years.

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          Just going to tell that there are no “boots on the ground”

          Yeah… okay, feel free to say more bullshit :) https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/02/20/russias-anti-selfie-soldier-law-greatest-hits-and-implications/

          and Crimea’s invasion has a bit different background behind it

          Vague and doesn’t help anything… go on.

          It is not like Putin woke up one day and announced “let’s go play boys!”

          Sure, that’s not what I said but go on making stuff up, you’re good at it :)

          Also, what is this crap about Donetsk and Luhansk having separatists?

          Well… are they separatists? As in they want their own statehood?

          If they announced their independence after Ukraine cutting off their water supply and all those shenanigans, why does Ukraine have an issue?

          Well, I can see a nation taking issue when another state actor has decided to take advantage a ethnic minority and push them into some kind of crusade. Hence the RNU

          “Providing military equipment to the separatists” is done by USA and NATO countries throughout, and we can discuss Azov Battalion in national military as well.

          Yeah, I’m not going to disagree that this has happened but it shows that Russia didn’t want a peaceful solution that happened to have been the crux of a lot of pro-russian arguments here.

          And we can talk about the RNU, come on dude, these guys are neo-nazis as well, for some reason you just want to only apply nazism to Ukraine. Donektsk Republic is Russian imperialist with some serious anti-ukrainian and genocidal elements to it.

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            The one who is bullshitting is not me. Someone attacked Luhansk first, then Russia retaliated. Russia is not the initiator, and has not entered Ukraine territory, according to Ukraine military https://twitter.com/ReutersGMF/status/1496718865560076288

            Posting Bellingcat is proof of intentional dishonesty, unless you do not know their history and background.

            Crimea invasion having a different backstory is not vague.

            Sure, that’s not what I said but go on making stuff up, you’re good at it :)

            Not even reading rest of your comment. Uneducated and bad faith engagement.