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      do you use an iphone

      you can make a similar argument for slavery

      you dont want the government…

      triangle shirtwaist fire ._.

      do the people who don’t like government regulations know how working conditions were before government regulations

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        Advances were made and sustained principally through labor organization, not government regulations.

        Much of the manipulation in the presentation from PU is based on constructing a false dichotomy between organization through either private business versus central government.

        A common tactic is to bait an antagonist into attacking private business, but then shifting from a defense of business to a criticism of government. It is employed by proponents of marketism, and commonly involves insertion into the discussion, often as a straw man, the Democratic Party or the Soviet Union.

        Such proponents often respond poorly to suggestions about cooperative organization, or to reminders over the natural tendency of business to seek increasing protection from the state.

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          Advances were made and sustained principally through labor organization, not government regulations.

          It’s both. It happens because of regulation (otherwise there’d be nothing stopping businesses from exploiting you even harder than they already do) but as has been said many times, regulations are written in blood. They weren’t passed out of the goodness of anyone’s hearts, but as a capitulation to labour organising.

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            regulations are written in blood

            Well, they are ignored the moment labor loses the power to demand their enforcement.

            I try not to emphasize regulations. Genuine power never comes from words.

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              Of course not. But what are we organising for, if not our rights? In our society, those rights are upheld by law. We organise to make those laws happen. And , when it comes to it, to behead them and make our own laws.

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                Laws are made by the powerful few.

                Power for the masses comes from the groundul up.

                We organize to build our own power, toward our own interests, to challenge the systems that support the interests of elites.

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                  Laws are made by the powerful few.

                  Yep, in our current neoliberal capitalist system. This is what we live in, which is why it’s what I’m describing.

                  Power for the masses comes from the groundul up.

                  I know, but we don’t have that yet. That’s the goal.

                  We organize to build our own power, toward our own interests, to challenge the systems that support the interests of elites.

                  Indeed. No need to repeat my own beliefs at me ;)

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                    It has always been the same under representative democracy. Elite bodies serve elite interests.

                    The postwar period took its form due to strong labor, and the Bretton Woods system, arising in the aftermath of the Depression and amidst the Second World War. The period was the exception, not the rule, for capitalism under liberal democracy.

                    Laws are at best one tool of many, not the final objective, for labor.

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        It’s a matter of perspective. It doesn’t look so bad when you’re not the one doing the working.

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      Wow. Almost every single thing he listed at the beginning (before I turned this off because I was getting the urge to punch his face so strongly my work computer’s screen was at actual risk) has taken enormous amounts of “big government” subsidy. And well over half of them (possibly much higher!) are actively damaging society.

      Woohoo! Capitalism!

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      There’s something disconcerting about the structure of that person’s face and the ways it does and does not move how it should when the person it belongs to speaks.

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      Argh, I watched two seconds of it. Now YouTube will recommend that stuff to me forever.

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      Holy shit those comments are as cringey as the video somehow.

      It’s a wonder the commenters don’t drown staring up at the rain with their mouths agape.