• darq@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      58
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Doing literally nothing to reduce fossil fuels would be better than the thing we are currently doing, which is subsidising them. Really puts into perspective all the climate “promises”.

        • darq@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Gee whiz, you pretended to be me and said something I didn’t say! I’m so owned right now!

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Mass starvation is indeed better than the extinction of mankind.

          What is the point of an economy if there is no one left to use it?

        • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Expensiver oil would lead to faster availlability of oecological alternative products to stuff made out of oil.

  • kinther@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    67
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    We absolutely should be ending subsidies on fossil fuels, the meat industry, and other polluters. This will cause a ripple effect on the cost of everyday items and the standard of living globally, so of course there will be those that say it can’t be done. The problem is the game of musical chairs will eventually end, either when we’re completely fucked or at a time of our choosing.

    • grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      1 year ago

      Ask they have to do is scale back 1% the first year, 2% the next, etc. The second it looks like a long term investment won’t pay off they’ll stop making them. Then we’ll see supply chain issues slowly increase which will force fleet vehicle purchases over to electric or hydrogen faster.

      That will spread into the personal vehicle market.

      Demand will reduce for IC vehicles and so on.

      You don’t need to make massive changes to have a big impact over time. The problem is every thinking this will get you shouted down by almost anyone with real money.

      The thing to do is also incentivize them to invest in the new, growing opportunities but again they want too, but without giving anything up.

  • hark@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    40
    ·
    1 year ago

    Does this count the wars we do for it? Always funny to me when people claim that renewables aren’t viable without subsidies and yet here’s the very mature fossil fuel industry sucking up way more in subsidies.

  • glomag@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    34
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Is the purpose of these subsidies to maintain oil and gas infrastructure so that the military can also use it?

    If the infrastructure is necessary for defense but not necessary for civilian use then it sounds like it should be paid for via tax, be maintained by the government, and counted as defense spending.

    This would increase the military’s fuel cost (to the true cost) and higher gas prices brought about by ending the subsidies would incentivize lower carbon transportation methods for civilians.

  • MNByChoice@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    I scanned the article, and I often hear about this. Is there a list of the specific subsidies for fossil fuels?

    I am happy to reach out to my Congress people as I donate to them, but they respond best to short and specific requests.

    • whoisearth
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      America, like Canada, subsidizes TF out of the oil companies to intentionally deflate the price of gas. Start looking there.

      Also worth noting because it is still destructive, we subsidize TF out of corn too, to the detriment of other crops.

      I don’t think people realize how under-priced almost everything they purchase is, and it’s all because of mass subsidies.

      We need to end these subsidies but damn if people won’t freak over their groceries even more.

      • Serinus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        We all have an interest in overproducing crops. If, say, Florida becomes an aquarium, or there’s a disease that wipes out a lot of a particular monoculture, we don’t want a ridiculous spike in food prices (or worse).

      • Blackmist@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Is a lack of tax really a subsidy?

        I would think most of the subsidies are governments paying companies to extract it locally rather than import it from a cheaper country, so the country is less exposed to world events.

        Where a non-subsidy version of this would be to tax the bollocks off any foreign imported fuels so it makes more sense to extract it locally.

        Of course the reality is that most countries need both locally extracted and imported fuel to meet demand, and that you, the taxpayer, will be picking up the bill in either case.

        It would be better for everyone if we just left that shit in the ground where it belongs, but we ain’t there yet.

  • money_loo@1337lemmy.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    Too little too late. We’ve been warning you motherfuckers for easy over a hundred years, but nobody ever listens to scientists, 🤷

    Lucky for you science will swoop in and save you again anyways. Though the planet is still pretty fucked.

    Fucking “world leaders”.

    • floofloof
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Lucky for you science will swoop in and save you again anyways.

      We can hope so, but the problems are escalating quickly and we aren’t moving quickly to mitigate them.

      • Final Remix@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        Moving quickly to mitigate them doesn’t help this quarter’s returns. Therefore, move to strike. Seconded. The ayes have it.

      • jcit878@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        we look to be at a point where it doesnt matter how quickly we move, we cant mitigate them now (at least not the problems we will face over the next 50 years or so). We made our bed, now we have to lie in it. And im not saying its too late therefore do nothing, there is still worse cases we can try to avoid.

    • PaleRider@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      Though the planet is still pretty fucked.

      I’m pretty sure the planet will be fine. Those of us trying to live on it though might have some problems.

      • money_loo@1337lemmy.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Sorry when I said “the planet” I meant more like the delicate ecosystems and life cycles will be fucked. We’re already starting to see signs of it with all the various population collapses.