That’s really my biggest problem with most green parties / organisations. There is an emphasis on individual action that is just unreasonable. Climate change won’t be affected by individual change, since it really is a systemic problem. No amount of green consumption or efficiency will do as much as a dent in the problem of global warming.
Our energy and supply chain transport infrastructure needs to be overhauled which will cost a lot of capital investment and strip off a lot of planned profits from the books. These are the issues that need to be addressed. Whether Joe Blogs drives a SUV is inconsequential.
You can’t use your wallet to vote against the financial incentives that keep the polluting infrastructure running.
i’m not really sure what is this supposed to mean
yes, a corporations produce b percent of all emissions, so what? if there was only one corporations it would produce 100 % of all emissions, doesn’t change the situation whatsoever
the strategy to scaling down emissions doesn’t change depending on the distribution of emissions
Of course the strategy changes.
If one corporation would produce 100% of emissions you would be able to discuss how to wind it down. How to manage the impact of winding it down.
Instead we are talking about whether you, the singular you, wasted too much water having a shower.
This is absolutely absurd.
this is a false dichotomy, of course many problems have to be fixed on the supply side, but a lot have to also be fixed on the consumer side, for example animal product consumption: no matter how you restructure corporations, earth simply doesn’t have enough resources in order sustain an omnivore diet for more than a few hundred million people
the 100 - 70 gotcha points out a valid problem, while also for some reason disregarding the other side of that problem 🤷♀️
Consumers wouldn’t be using single use plastics if corporations didn’t push it on everyone.
How about stuff like milk cartons that added a plastic cap to the cardboard? It always worked fine opening the cardboard top and I would always use it up long before it spoiled. The plastic added nothing to the shelf life and just created more waste. Now every carton like that has a plastic cap.
i agree, you listed problems that should be fixed on the supply side, this doesn’t mean there aren’t problems that should be fixed on the consumer side 🤷♀️
Oh yeah because consumers can economically recycle plastics, right.
consumers can’t recycle plastics, nobody can, there are problems that cannot be fixed on the supply side, and single use plastics isn’t one of them
So how is it the consumers responsibility?
If every person wouldn’t drive any car, fly, go on cruises and eat meat all corporations would produce 99% of global emissions -.-
So tell me, in the situation you are describing, how would you do your job and care for yourself or the people you like / depend on you without access to e.g. a car?
I don’t understand how you do not seem to care why those emissions that cause global warming take place in the first place?
I have a bicycle and a train flatrate, never needed a car except for moving where Ihad to rent a small truck anyways.
Sure, for most of my life I didn’t have a car either. But that’s not really the point. Some life circumstances are outside your own control. The point I poorly tried to make was more that people are driven by their current circumstances. Climate change is a systemic problem. You can’t rely on people reactively fixing climate change 8 billion times in their own little yard. It just won’t happen.
My point was that if individuals make up for less emission non-individual actors will automatically make up for more of the total emissions, so the screenshotted post is kind of silly.
I’m sure there will probably be no substantial change (at least in time) if we just let consumers decide, but that doesn’t except them from being responsible for driving around in child-killing, cancer-inducing, environment-destroying and fossil-fuel-wasting private tanks.
The point of the screenshot comment is that we are not focusing on the right things when discussing climate change.
There are lots of issues with SUVs but to say that some end product is the real cause of the problem (talking about climate change, not cancer here) is just inaccurate. It is the tremendous industry that was built, the associated physical assets, and the associated economic and financial incentives.
We need cars because our society has decided for us that they should be incentivized. Public transport is a mess (and not very affordable) and many railways in western Europe have been decommissioned. We could have modern society without cars, or at least without everyone needing to have one.
Most emissions is not due to a person’s activity but to industry. The scale of waste is unprecedented: just consider for a second the environmental impact of surveillance capitalism: of all these Google/Facebook/NSA servers running exactly ZERO useful services for users/society, of all the CCTV cameras and other control mechanisms deployed in the streets. Add to this mix:
- that most companies/jobs are utterly useless or destructive
- that planned obsolescence across industries means even when we produce too much we’ll keep on wasting
And you start to have a basic explanation of what’s fucked up about capitalism destroying our planet.
It might be hard to believe today, but humans lived for millenia without any cars. Sure they are necessary in many places now, but that will probably change drastically after peak oil is reached (because renewables can never provide enough energy to power electric cars for everyone).
