• ninthant
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    1 day ago

    How do we accomplish this?

    Specifically if the conservatives get in and can just sell it off for a short-term payout, how can we make a long-term plan for this?

    I ask not to sound smug and cynical, but to earnestly seek ideas on this.

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      What if we only funded infrastructure with debt, instead of consumption. Then we wont run into a scenario where we need to start selling assets to pay our creditors. Kind of like Keynes suggested long ago.

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      The only way is to make sure conservatives never form government again.

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        That doesn’t seem like an entirely sustainable plan?

        I’m trying to separate what I want (which is what you addressed) with something practical that would allow Canada to invest in longer-term projects like this one.

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          There is no solution that will prevent a minority of greedy people from trying to take from others. We fight the same battles our parents fought and our children will have to fight those same battles as will their children. The only hope is to make sure enough people are educated as to why publicly regulated institutions are important to protect and pass those lessons down to the next generation.

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          I don’t think there is anything to prevent one government from undoing what another government has done, unless it is something constitutional where they have to have buy in from at least 7 provinces and 50% of the population.

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          A society where we choose to kneecap ourselves every few years because we allow people to raise ignorant bigots seems less sustainable than one where we outlaw right wing ideologies.

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            You do realize that 40% of the country just voted for the right-wing? That many provinces are governed by right-wingers.

            How would you ban this, short of an authoritarian state?

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              40% of the country voted out the incumbent.

              The same thing that happens whenever people don’t like their personal finances.

              I also think it’s a shame that there was no leftist party available for people to turn to when they want to break the status quo

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                Trump didnt sway the election in any way?

                I figured people were afraid Pierre was going to side with Alberta and not do anything about Trumps tariffs on manufacturing. Since Alberta could easily survive 10% tariffs, while the east could never survive 25%.

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      This is a very fair question. The Cons screw Canada over quite regularly. Is there a way we can safe guard anything put into place.

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        My only idea would be a partnership with a province which would give the other veto power over any potential sale, along with a legal commitment that Canada would retain access to all IP in case of a sale.

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          Well, we could look at it in the sense of CPP, Where all of the provinces signed on with the understanding of a mutual benefit, and also an understanding of not knowing the future, or whether the payout would be evenly spread across provinces. Unfortunately, Ms. “I get mine first” Smith wants to pull Alberta out of the CPP, so I’m not sure now would be the time to try for a new mutual benefit project. The provinces have become much more adversarial than they were 100 years ago, minus QC, who’s always had a certain “we do what we want, dégage, maudit anglophones!” attitude (said lovingly with a stepmother from QC, and family still there).

          That said, when Ms. Marlaina Smith and her UCP flunkies tried to pull financial coverage for people on insulin pumps, enough people became outraged so quickly that the UCP changed directions almost immediately. So if we can get it into people’s hands, and make it worthwhile for them, people might self-regulate.

          My larger concern for me, is the article mentions the big 3 undermining, then buying out India’s insulin manufacturing company. India has a notably larger economy, and population, than Canada. I’m skeptical we’d be able to manufacture insulin at a scale where it would be enough to compete – not in a profit sense, but in the sense of it being financialy wise for the average person to switch and thereby sustain the manufacturing costs. I know the big 3 are focusing on drugs with larger profit potential, and I also know those CEOs have a narcissistic drive to not let anyone take any of “their” money until they’ve completely discarded that endeavour. I don’t know how we’d be able to protect from their shenanigans.

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            I think it was supposed to foster cooperation, just as the equalization payments were. Yet Alberta or BC still cant export energy to Europe. Quebec is a dead weight on Canada’s productivity, and are like a spoiled child, the only role they play is in swinging the election one way or another.

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          You would need a government in opposition provincially that was politically adverse to the federal government. If you end up with 2 conservative governments it’s likely they wouldn’t oppose one another ideologically.

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            Yeah, that’s the rub.

            The IP clause to allow Canada to rebuild it in case of that happening might poison any potential sale, and might discourage a province from wanting to sell if Canada would then rebuild in a new province?

            But I’m just spitballing and have no idea if it even makes sense