If only Democrats had the stones to do this.
They need to stop using fixed values and switch to a calculation based on GDP, cost of living, inflation, and other such factors. If you do that you don’t need to keep fighting to increase it.
By 2030, $17 will be the equivalent of $5/hr. Can we just skip the bullshit and tie minimum wage to 2xSGA@40hr/wk? Right now that’d be about $18.70
What is SGA?
Substantial Gainful Activity. It’s a metric used in the US which is adjusted each year. Currently it’s $1620/mo.
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander the Canadian basketball point guard, obviously
Screen Guild… Actors
Sweet. $17/hr * 40 = $680 a week * 4 = $2720 a month * 52 = $32640 all before tax. Still not enough to live on.
Yeah, the “$15 an hour” debate has been going on for so long that the number has realistically increased to ~$23 per hour. And if a $23/hr minimum wage makes you balk, maybe you should consider how little you’re being paid for the job you currently do.
And in five years, it’ll seem like even less.
It’ll need to be $400 by 2030 to keep up with Trumpflation.
It already realistically needs to be between 25-30 an hr to even be considered a living wage.
Too bad too many don’t consider minimum wage as something that should be a living wage
Yea, those people should be
re-educated.We call those people “all republicans and always just enough democrats.”
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living. That way it’s easy to know if a place is offering a living wage or if it’s just unimportant work.
The only problem with that is there’s so much work people consider unimportant that is absolutely vital, just not what people want to do.
Like fast food workers during school hours
I agree with you, the “unimportant” part was tongue in cheek. My point really is that if a person wants a job done for money, they need to either pay a living wage or admit that the work isn’t important enough to pay for. There shouldn’t be an in-between for people to take advantage of.
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living.
That way we can tell the difference between the morlocks and the eloi.
lol right now we do have two wages. The minimum wage… and the subminimum wage. Yes, that is a real thing! 2.13$ an hour if you make more than 30$ in tips a month.
Not fast enough not soon enough.
Depends where you live. This means nothing in California. This is an extreme change in Georgia.
Should read “benefiting all Americans”
How this would help Chileans?
Hurr hurrrr
Is this a joke…?
Even terrorist organizations have higher minimum wage than the USA.
Trump proposes bill to make minimum tip $17.
He could just as well introduce one to raise it to $17000 and a car as bonus.
He knows it has no chance so that’s why he does it.
The sheepdog is virtue signaling again pretending to be progressive.Guy has been pretending to be progressive for like 60 years. Thats some dedication.
Or could it be that you have built a system where change isn’t really an option.
I have built nothing as a European.
And their system is indeed rigged and especially the last one with both wings of the uniparty successfully trying to keep 3rd parties of the ballot.
Bernie in his function as sheepdog is allowed and cultivated by that very system since it keeps voters from chosing actual change.
IDK where they get their news from but they keep making the same mistakes.A nice quote from Karl Marx, The Civil War in France:
*Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics.
It is well known that the Americans have been striving for 30 years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and that in spite of all they can do they continue to sink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption.
we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.*
Normally, I would respond to this type of argument by explaining how the two party system is structural. But in this case, you are complaining about one of the only politicians that is not part of a political party.
You fail to see he is a freelance hired help for the dems.
Oof. So what should he be doing instead?
Go away preferably so people are not misled by this zionist faker
Thanks for getting Trump elected. Your pragmatic thinking is super helpful.
I didn’t I’m European.
And I am very pleased he’s fucking up his own country for once and making it weaker and expediating its inevitable demise.
It’s a gift to the world.What country are you from?
Belgium.
Am I getting some whataboutism now?Why do you post so much about US politics while being so ignorant about them?
Are you aware that Bernie Sanders is anti genocide and is one of the only US politicians bringing up legislation against providing Israel with weapons and denouncing the genocide there?
If there would be any US politician I would expect you to support it would be him, but you’re just talking uninformed shit. Why?
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The libs are always against war…except the current one.
Whatever election as an ‘independent’, in the end he invariably endorses the awful dem candidate, not 3rd parties.
Including the ghouls Hitlery, Copmala and Genocide Joe.
Fuck that you centrist. Abolish the wage system.
…what would that even look like?
Abolition of for profit companies. Worker owned collectives that split all of the profits from the labour between the workers who produced the profit, as the workers vote to decide how to spend it.
Anarcho Syndicalism.
Here’s what the Vancouver IWW has to say about abolishing the wage system: https://www.vancouveriww.org/mean-by-abolition-wage-system/
I’m down for syndicalism. But often that still involves wages…
Nah, shared profits.
Having owned 2 businesses…I’d rather have steady wages. Feast of famine blows.
Having been a wage slave and been on both sides of the counter at soup kitchens, I’d much rather have shared profits.
Communism.
americans don’t deserve anything, stop using their death machine money
the USA is running a death camp in El Salvador called CECOT
the USA is running a death camp in El Salvador called CECOT
True
stop using their death machine money
Good advice, though a little hard to do if you are in America.
americans don’t deserve anything
And, here’s your source of downvotes. People, even really shitty people, deserve food, water, and shelter, at a minimum. Shitty people (including a too large number of Americans) don’t have to be heard, and shouldn’t be given any political power, but they are still sentient beings that didn’t ask to be here, and don’t deserve pain or suffering.
“here’s the source of your downvotes” even if you weren’t posting from infosec, you’re flashing your career choices all over the table
don’t take that as a knock, i just find it humorous
i do not care about the popularity of my opinions but thanks
There’s more than just one prison, and the conditions in their older prisons are worse than CECOT
Jesus fucking Christ why didn’t you do this back when the Democrats were in power Bernie? Stop fucking virtue signaling. You could have proposed this 4 years ago and it would have had a good chance of actually passing. And that’s exactly why you waited until now, isn’t it?
It saddens me that Bernie is the least broken politician we have, and he still sucks.
Is this a joke? He’s literally been doing this shit for like 60 fucking years my dude
I’m not even an American and don’t follow Sanders, but with a quick search I found news articles from 4 years ago with Sanders proposing to increase minimum wage to $15 https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-top-democrats-introduce-bill-raising-minimum-wage-to-15/
Bernie is the only person that consistently fights for the common man. That would be a valid criticism of anyone else.
The fight for $15 movement started 13 years ago. $15 in 2012 money is equal to over $20 in 2025 money. It’s taking the most progressive senator we’ve got to even suggest a pittance that is below what we’ve been asking for for over a decade.
Median one bed apartment rent, across the entire US, is $1550 as of Feb 2025.
Lets knock 20% of that off, to approximate a median studio apartment instead, give some leeway to poorer parts of the country.
(there are not as good or reliable general stats counted for studio apartments, but a studio being 20% less than a one bed is… hopefully a reasonable, napkin math aporoximation)
Ok, that’s $1240.
Alright, now we use the ‘rent should be 30% of your income’ rule.
Thats $4135 a month, rounded up very slightly to the nearest 5.
Ok, 40 hours a week, roughly 4 weeks a month = 160 hours.
4135 / 160 = $25.85, again rounded up to the closet 5 cents for simplicity, so thats your actual minimum ‘living wage’.
If you wanna say a studio should be 30% off a one bedroom?
Math works out to roughly $22.60
If you wanna say an actual one bedroom should be the standard, works out to about $32.60
Any way you look at this, $17 an hour is too low, that’s still… you can’t even afford a studio (as in, you cannot pass the rent to income threshold without a cosigner or double deposit or somethingnon your lease) you need roommates, you’re still living with your parents.
The very people that would benefit are the same ones saying they don’t deserve it.
And it is $17 in 2030.
Here from Europe, let me recommend one thing we do well: we link our equivalent of social security to the average wage growth, not to inflation.
This ensures that all voters benefit from wage growth. And thus all voters demand the same thing from the politicians.
we can’t even get it to 15, what do you think are chances of doing that are lol
I know, but these things tend to be all or nothing.
Either the American workers don’t seize power and they continue to get exploited, or they seize power and then a lot will be possible.
Makes too much sense.
Sensible policies are Unamerican, judging by what has been passed by Congress in the last 20 years.
The problem with that happening in the US is there has been no wage growth, only retraction. Between inflation and wage inequality our purchasing power is nearly half what it was 25 years ago.
That’s the point. Your problem is that a lot of voters aren’t affected by wage growth. So politicians don’t feel the pressure to enact wage growth.
All those senior people will actually vote for the guy who keeps wage growth in check.
NO!! Not a number! Tie it to inflation, as a proportion!! Picking a specific number is what got us in this mess in the first place
If you look at the timeline in the article, post-2030 the act states that it would be indexed.
That would have made a much better headline
I’m sadly starting to think Bernie is a Neoliberal in disguise
everyone is a neoliberal except me
He’s going to tell us to vote for another Neoliberal after drumming up all this support.
Watch.
And if he does? Preferring a neoliberal to a fascist does not make one a neoliberal, especially if a neoliberal has a better shot at preventing a fascist from gaining office than a leftist. Bernie is a social democrat and a pragmatist, and if that’s not left enough for you than say that, but don’t get your ideologies confused.
Everyone has already forgotten what happened when the DNC used Bernie to try to bait and switch his voters for Hilary. We might be cooked if everyone has already forgotten this strategy doesn’t work.
The DNC Neoliberals also funded fringe right wing campaigns to give themselves easy competition, and instead lost to them. Making them partially responsible for Trump ever gaining power, they paved the road every step of the way through fucking insane excuses that limp fuck neolibs just keep lapping up like dogs.
I personally can’t ever vote for another Republican or Democrat again, MAYBE if an actual leftist is the democratic canidate. But IMO the only way to free ourselves is to end the Duopoly forever, there’s no baby in that bathwater.
without looking it up what is neoliberalism and how is it different from social democracy or, indeed, liberalism?
Neoliberals are people pretending to be leftists that suck rich cock instead of representing the majority of their electorate.
And that neo-liberal will be the only option that has a snowball’s chance to beat Republicans.
Sanders isn’t so starry-eyed as to undermine better in the pursuit of perfect.
He’s been doing this a LOT longer than you.
Just like the time that worked in 2016 right?
We’re cooked lol
We may be, but he’s still doing the smart thing instead of pushing for the impossible while allowing the terrible, because you don’t like the better.
pushing for the impossible
You mean the bare minimum functions of a democratic society, yeah that’s pretry easy and most of europe already figured this out.
while allowing the terrible.
You are a dumb person for being fooled into accepting this.
Ah, the Left. Always eating itself.
