I think it’s worth keeping the doors open for tourists. Americans who have a good experience of visiting Canada, and who have met Canadians, may be less inclined to support invading. And it will be counterproductive to alienate the entire US population by turning hostile - this will only help Trump. Sure, a good number of Americans support Trump’s fascism, but just as many do not. It will be helpful to maintain decent relations with those ones, and to have them on Canada’s side if Trump escalates hostilities.
I get where you are coming from. I don’t feel that way. If they want the privilege of visiting Canada and not experience prejudice, then they need to take care of affairs at home first.
Until such a time, how can I trust anyone from America? I can’t, I won’t and I want them to know how much good Canadians humans are filled with disdain for anyone from the Kingdom of Trump.
I get where you’re coming from too, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that bit of mistrust going on. I feel a similar mistrust towards quite a few Canadians too though, with all the antivax stuff we’ve seen, the trucker convoy, Poilievre being the most popular Conservative leader in a while, and so on.
OK, are you telling me to fuck off after I expressed some sympathy with your view? And who do you mean by “we” and “your”? But maybe you’re telling Americans to fuck off.
The people trying to escape right now are also the vulnerable who voted against this shit. Many of us also have friends and/or family across the border. It’s the people who want to stay behind that you should fear.
Yes, about 100M people right next door are probably risky to Canada, because they are drinking the fox poison or allow evil through indifference. Maybe 150M?
About 5 million potential refugees. Difficult for us to manage but we’ll try. The other 200M are (I’m guessing at the local mood here) welcome to visit and maybe immigrate.
The blame USA’ians feel coming from the north, even to allies, is about voting not being enough, it’s not a way to wash away culpability.
you speak as if you have nothing to lose. if true then you have nothing to gain.
I don’t expect you to understand how Americans feel right now, but you’re clearly terrified of Americans when you should instead direct that towards something far more constructive.
Should the roles be reversed, a majority of Americans would be openly accepting Canadians. not out of pity nor a sense of superiority, but out of mutual respect for a human being. sure, there’s going to be some fascist assholes acting like you are now, but do you really want to be grouped in with the likes of them? I would hope you’re not that blinded by fear and hate that you’re willing to become a pawn of Trumps influence.
Fucking A I’m afraid of Americans. Any sane person is right now you guys are off the deep end
And one of you motuertuckers might be conscripted to fight against me. You have lost your democracy and are now a valid threat that outnumber us 100 to 1.
I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you guys are as a collective. There has never been a bigger threat in my 50 years of life.
Please stay away until you are no longer the biggest threat on earth. Thanks yeah.
I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you guys are as a collective. There has never been a bigger threat in my 50 years of life.
I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you are sir.
you’re sitting there trying to tell an American how bad it is in America. I fucking live here. I know exactly how bad it is, and how bad it’s going to be. don’t lecture me on how my house is burning down while I’m inside it! fucking help me get out of my house to safety!
if anyone has lost a grip on reality, it’s people like you. Canadians who want Americans to shoot and kill each other, and to refuse any help for refugees.
think about it dude, if Americans take up arms against each other in a civil war what do you think is going to happen to the border? you said it yourself,
[You]…are now a valid threat that outnumber us 100 to 1.
I’m sure you remember Kosovo and Bosnia. do you remember what happened to the Serbian borders?
yeah. think about that while you stoke the embers.
Don’t go full serial killer please. And while protesting can be helpful and at times necessary, it is only a small fraction of what is required for political and cultural change.
What would I do in your shoes, even though I don’t know their size or colour or condition or style? It seems obvious to me, but I am old and have spent time in places where Canadians have more global power than the locals.
Let’s say I move to Canada as a non-refugee, but maybe a political migrant moving out of concern. Some people are very welcoming and many seem cold or outright distrustful. Some of that seems directed not so much at me, since I check whether I am a mealy whinger or arrogant main character, and I’m not. It’s mainly about my origin and identity.
So I am going to earn trust where it counts. Not for the globally consistent 20% or so of boneheads who are always going to be authoritarian and xenophobic or supremacist in some way, fuck ‘em. Earn trust by building community in meaningful ways.
Work on making friends, while working on making up for the bullshit everyone here is now burdened with because American culture is so individualistic and religious and authoritarian and parochial and violent. Mitigate that shit for my new neighbours, in my own behaviour and by joining local initiatives that are pro-social, like volunteering at shelters or for a refugee organization.
Educate myself on history and local customs and geography. Don’t be the parochial dimwit of stereotypes. These are standard practice for any mildly courteous traveller, mind you.
Canada, however, has a special colonial relationship with the USA that affects everyone. So I pay attention, and remember that the citizens of the USA have long been friendly to, but have also long ignored and belittled and coveted and threatened and financially controlled and culturally dominated my new home… and people are going to remind me of that when I inevitably channel some of the american exceptionalism that galls most Canadians into passive aggressive mockery.
I think it’s worth keeping the doors open for tourists. Americans who have a good experience of visiting Canada, and who have met Canadians, may be less inclined to support invading. And it will be counterproductive to alienate the entire US population by turning hostile - this will only help Trump. Sure, a good number of Americans support Trump’s fascism, but just as many do not. It will be helpful to maintain decent relations with those ones, and to have them on Canada’s side if Trump escalates hostilities.
I get where you are coming from. I don’t feel that way. If they want the privilege of visiting Canada and not experience prejudice, then they need to take care of affairs at home first.
Until such a time, how can I trust anyone from America? I can’t, I won’t and I want them to know how much good Canadians humans are filled with disdain for anyone from the Kingdom of Trump.
I get where you’re coming from too, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that bit of mistrust going on. I feel a similar mistrust towards quite a few Canadians too though, with all the antivax stuff we’ve seen, the trucker convoy, Poilievre being the most popular Conservative leader in a while, and so on.
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OK, are you telling me to fuck off after I expressed some sympathy with your view? And who do you mean by “we” and “your”? But maybe you’re telling Americans to fuck off.
Also why would I want the sympathy of an American? Crazy idea, but that’s really falling on a Nation of deaf ears right now.
The self importance of an Americans is insane. You are not #1. You are a bunch of crazies, and need to heal yourselves.
I’m a Canadian. I’m sympathizing with your view as another Canadian. You’re misreading and being rude.
My apologies, I only want my rudeness directed at Americans.
The user you are talking to is on lemmy.ca, which is a Canadian instance.
You are talking to another Canadian
I have apologized to him. Thank you
You were being patronizing… still are.
How about we move on since nothing productive shall get accomplished here.
The people trying to escape right now are also the vulnerable who voted against this shit. Many of us also have friends and/or family across the border. It’s the people who want to stay behind that you should fear.
Yes, about 100M people right next door are probably risky to Canada, because they are drinking the fox poison or allow evil through indifference. Maybe 150M?
About 5 million potential refugees. Difficult for us to manage but we’ll try. The other 200M are (I’m guessing at the local mood here) welcome to visit and maybe immigrate.
The blame USA’ians feel coming from the north, even to allies, is about voting not being enough, it’s not a way to wash away culpability.
what would you do in our situation?
it’s not like I can go freely kill all my maga neighbors, or go protest every single day.
so what would you have us do differently that would absolve Americans enough to be accepted?
Rebel.
I would.
Why aren’t you?
you speak as if you have nothing to lose. if true then you have nothing to gain.
I don’t expect you to understand how Americans feel right now, but you’re clearly terrified of Americans when you should instead direct that towards something far more constructive.
Should the roles be reversed, a majority of Americans would be openly accepting Canadians. not out of pity nor a sense of superiority, but out of mutual respect for a human being. sure, there’s going to be some fascist assholes acting like you are now, but do you really want to be grouped in with the likes of them? I would hope you’re not that blinded by fear and hate that you’re willing to become a pawn of Trumps influence.
Fucking A I’m afraid of Americans. Any sane person is right now you guys are off the deep end
And one of you motuertuckers might be conscripted to fight against me. You have lost your democracy and are now a valid threat that outnumber us 100 to 1.
I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you guys are as a collective. There has never been a bigger threat in my 50 years of life.
Please stay away until you are no longer the biggest threat on earth. Thanks yeah.
I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you are sir.
you’re sitting there trying to tell an American how bad it is in America. I fucking live here. I know exactly how bad it is, and how bad it’s going to be. don’t lecture me on how my house is burning down while I’m inside it! fucking help me get out of my house to safety!
if anyone has lost a grip on reality, it’s people like you. Canadians who want Americans to shoot and kill each other, and to refuse any help for refugees.
think about it dude, if Americans take up arms against each other in a civil war what do you think is going to happen to the border? you said it yourself,
I’m sure you remember Kosovo and Bosnia. do you remember what happened to the Serbian borders?
yeah. think about that while you stoke the embers.
Don’t go full serial killer please. And while protesting can be helpful and at times necessary, it is only a small fraction of what is required for political and cultural change.
What would I do in your shoes, even though I don’t know their size or colour or condition or style? It seems obvious to me, but I am old and have spent time in places where Canadians have more global power than the locals.
Let’s say I move to Canada as a non-refugee, but maybe a political migrant moving out of concern. Some people are very welcoming and many seem cold or outright distrustful. Some of that seems directed not so much at me, since I check whether I am a mealy whinger or arrogant main character, and I’m not. It’s mainly about my origin and identity.
So I am going to earn trust where it counts. Not for the globally consistent 20% or so of boneheads who are always going to be authoritarian and xenophobic or supremacist in some way, fuck ‘em. Earn trust by building community in meaningful ways.
Work on making friends, while working on making up for the bullshit everyone here is now burdened with because American culture is so individualistic and religious and authoritarian and parochial and violent. Mitigate that shit for my new neighbours, in my own behaviour and by joining local initiatives that are pro-social, like volunteering at shelters or for a refugee organization.
Educate myself on history and local customs and geography. Don’t be the parochial dimwit of stereotypes. These are standard practice for any mildly courteous traveller, mind you.
Canada, however, has a special colonial relationship with the USA that affects everyone. So I pay attention, and remember that the citizens of the USA have long been friendly to, but have also long ignored and belittled and coveted and threatened and financially controlled and culturally dominated my new home… and people are going to remind me of that when I inevitably channel some of the american exceptionalism that galls most Canadians into passive aggressive mockery.
Eloquent. Probably the most well thought out comment I’ll read today.
Nawa, we just fear all of you. As a collective you allowed this to happen.