While Canadians are using “elbows up” diplomacy with the white house, they are welcoming U.S. tourists with open arms.

  • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    Yes, about 100M people right next door are probably risky to Canada, because they are drinking the fox poison or allow evil through indifference. Maybe 150M?

    About 5 million potential refugees. Difficult for us to manage but we’ll try. The other 200M are (I’m guessing at the local mood here) welcome to visit and maybe immigrate.

    The blame USA’ians feel coming from the north, even to allies, is about voting not being enough, it’s not a way to wash away culpability.

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      what would you do in our situation?

      it’s not like I can go freely kill all my maga neighbors, or go protest every single day.

      so what would you have us do differently that would absolve Americans enough to be accepted?

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          you speak as if you have nothing to lose. if true then you have nothing to gain.

          I don’t expect you to understand how Americans feel right now, but you’re clearly terrified of Americans when you should instead direct that towards something far more constructive.

          Should the roles be reversed, a majority of Americans would be openly accepting Canadians. not out of pity nor a sense of superiority, but out of mutual respect for a human being. sure, there’s going to be some fascist assholes acting like you are now, but do you really want to be grouped in with the likes of them? I would hope you’re not that blinded by fear and hate that you’re willing to become a pawn of Trumps influence.

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            Fucking A I’m afraid of Americans. Any sane person is right now you guys are off the deep end

            And one of you motuertuckers might be conscripted to fight against me. You have lost your democracy and are now a valid threat that outnumber us 100 to 1.

            I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you guys are as a collective. There has never been a bigger threat in my 50 years of life.

            Please stay away until you are no longer the biggest threat on earth. Thanks yeah.

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              I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you guys are as a collective. There has never been a bigger threat in my 50 years of life.

              I don’t think you fully grasp how out of control you are sir.

              you’re sitting there trying to tell an American how bad it is in America. I fucking live here. I know exactly how bad it is, and how bad it’s going to be. don’t lecture me on how my house is burning down while I’m inside it! fucking help me get out of my house to safety!

              if anyone has lost a grip on reality, it’s people like you. Canadians who want Americans to shoot and kill each other, and to refuse any help for refugees.

              think about it dude, if Americans take up arms against each other in a civil war what do you think is going to happen to the border? you said it yourself,

              [You]…are now a valid threat that outnumber us 100 to 1.

              I’m sure you remember Kosovo and Bosnia. do you remember what happened to the Serbian borders?

              yeah. think about that while you stoke the embers.

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        4 days ago

        Don’t go full serial killer please. And while protesting can be helpful and at times necessary, it is only a small fraction of what is required for political and cultural change.

        What would I do in your shoes, even though I don’t know their size or colour or condition or style? It seems obvious to me, but I am old and have spent time in places where Canadians have more global power than the locals.

        Let’s say I move to Canada as a non-refugee, but maybe a political migrant moving out of concern. Some people are very welcoming and many seem cold or outright distrustful. Some of that seems directed not so much at me, since I check whether I am a mealy whinger or arrogant main character, and I’m not. It’s mainly about my origin and identity.

        So I am going to earn trust where it counts. Not for the globally consistent 20% or so of boneheads who are always going to be authoritarian and xenophobic or supremacist in some way, fuck ‘em. Earn trust by building community in meaningful ways.

        Work on making friends, while working on making up for the bullshit everyone here is now burdened with because American culture is so individualistic and religious and authoritarian and parochial and violent. Mitigate that shit for my new neighbours, in my own behaviour and by joining local initiatives that are pro-social, like volunteering at shelters or for a refugee organization.

        Educate myself on history and local customs and geography. Don’t be the parochial dimwit of stereotypes. These are standard practice for any mildly courteous traveller, mind you.

        Canada, however, has a special colonial relationship with the USA that affects everyone. So I pay attention, and remember that the citizens of the USA have long been friendly to, but have also long ignored and belittled and coveted and threatened and financially controlled and culturally dominated my new home… and people are going to remind me of that when I inevitably channel some of the american exceptionalism that galls most Canadians into passive aggressive mockery.