They’re both shit, Obama committed and covered up hundreds of war crimes in the Middle East and other countries, declared Linux users terrorists, Snowden, Assange etc. like with Trump the list is too long.
This is what a FPTP voting system gives you in the worst case scenario, a 2-party state, both parties being not only dogshit but also authoritarian.
“Wow Donald! You really know you’re shit.”
- Fletcher Reed
Facts
Why should Trump or Musk care if you call them names? They’re the most powerful and richest people in the world.
And yet, they do. It’s called insecurity and it’s a defining trait of nearly every fascist.
He knows (or rather, thinks) he’s hot shit
Brave of your to assume the orange person is self conscious.
Fair.
When you know you’ve shat
Obama doesn’t know his shit, he’s a Chicago school economist and a war criminal. He was a better president than Trump but that’s an extremely low bar to clear.
You don’t need to agree with the man to acknowledge that he’s intelligent, well-read, and knowledgeable about a whole ton of shit. Grow up.
Dude taught Constitutional Law at a prestigious law school for over a decade. What have you done?
War criminal, yes, I agree. But he was a law professor. He most definitely knew what he was talking about.
President. Which is equivalent if you can’t manage equivalence.
I appreciate the condescention, I really do. But, are you not aware he was a law professor before becoming president?
I’ll condescend some more… what the fuck is your point? Exactly, he was a constitutional professor before being the president, and before lecturing the Nobel committee on his presidential duties.
He stood on the world stage and spoke truth to others who know more than either of us and told them what was happening. Do you really pretend that guy was the idiot in the room and you know more?
I mentioned “president” because he walked right up and said to that committee and said “president comes with baggage”
I think you are responding to the wrong person. Maybe you meant to respond to OP above me. I mostly definitely mention him being a law professor in support of him knowing what he is talking about.
Edit: for the record, I’ll just say, trying to get your point across the way you are talking isn’t going to work regardless of who it was meant for. You’re just going to push them to either dig their heals in, or walk away from the conversation.
I am responding to you but also the general argument. To better make the point, Obama isn’t the issue, he’s not the problem and making him the issue is missing the point. So take it personal or not…
Im not taking it personal. I am trying to tell you that being abrasive and calling people idiots isn’t going to change anybodies mind, though, it seems you are speaking to the chorus with your argument, and you don’t even realize it.
Constitutional scholar but you know better…
Yeah, it’s comments like that (and the amount of upvotes they tend to receive) that make me wary of lemmy… Nobody is saying you need to agree with Obama. We get it, he’s a “stupid lib” or whatever. But to suggest he isn’t intelligent is just fucking absurd.
and that’s not even considering who was before him: Bush
Bush was a terrible president and an evil human being but Obama did increase the annual civilian targeting drone strike quota.
And he walked up to the Nobel committee and said so. You aren’t saying anything new. You aren’t bringing shit as Obama literally called out that he is bound to the trajectory of the nation. He literally recognized this and called it out
He literally called out your shit and worked with it.
Meanwhile bush recked the economy and Obama saw reality and with Gethner stopped the country from shutting down atms. Most folks will never understand how close we got but that’s cool.
What war crimes did he do?
The biggest one is authorizing targeted “double tap” style drone strikes against civilians.
https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/
A quick web search will turn up plenty more.
A quick web search also shows Obama talking to the Nobel committee how crazy this shit is. The guy was elected and then had to steer bush’s shit out of the ditch.
Saying he’s less than perfect is so fucking stupid…
That’s completely different than acknowledging his fucking war crimes
I literally said he literally acknowledge just that. Like fucking keep up.
At the time he was responsible for the most drone strikes for any president (obviously this record was broken by the next admin). There’s also a famous one where they struck a wedding in Yemen. You could argue not closing gitmo would be perpetuating existing war crimes when it was a campaign promise.
There was also the whole over-throw of Libya thing.
The state of this country is really bad when we pine for the days of any modern president honestly. It’s been a gradual downhill slide since I was born in the '80s but we’ve definitely started picking up momentum as we roll down the hill. Rock bottom has got to be somewhere down here, surely.
There’s stuff below the rocks. We’re getting into the part where there’s fucking lava
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