are they as bad as the vegan subreddit was? It straight up put me off becoming a vegan because they are just such fucking assholes. I was trying to see if they had any good studies for health benifits because I don’t find ethical veganism convincing personally. And they came up with what amounted to a slur to discuss non vegans (no it is not an actual slur but they sure used it like one) and it was fucking hilarious because carnist sounds way more badass than omnivore.
Misogynist men said the said thing about feminism in the 1950s.
They literally already said they weren’t looking to convert to veganism for moral reasons, so I don’t know what point you think you’re making.
There was a willing ally in the reduction of meat consumption and the mainstreaming of vegan options, but the vegan community they encountered decided that insufficient orthodoxy was reason enough to encourage their ‘carnist’ enemy to go back to murdering animals for food.
If someone in 1918 says, “I don’t think women are equal, but I do think they deserve the vote”, the correct response is not to attack them; it’s to make common cause with them until women get the vote - and fuck, that they’re already ahead of the curve may mean that they can be swayed by the positions of their new allies.
But many online vegans (and I specify online, since the only vegans I’ve met irl have been pretty nice folks, even to a ‘carnist’ like me) treat it as a religion, a fashion; an identity.
Meat is murder - but murder, apparently, is preferable to wrongthink.
1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person’s will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception.
Slavery
1.
a: the practice or institution of holding people as chattel involuntarily and under threat of violence
b : the state of a person who is forced usually under threat of violence to labor for the profit of another
c: a situation or practice in which people are coerced to work under conditions that are exploitative
I think this is the fundamental disconnect between vegans and non vegans. I think most non vegans have a human centric moral system and vegans have a much more all encompassing moral system.
Is keeping bees harming them? This isn’t a straw man I have seen people seriously argue that it is. What about keeping chickens just for eggs. They are safer than they would be in the wild and you don’t have to do any form of artificial insemination. What about keeping goats for milk?
Edit: Holy shit I got the CJ treatment if feel like a star. This is fucking hilarious.
I murdered an animal the other week. Not even for food. Its corpse is off rotting somewhere now.
Separately, I have some animal-murder spray below the sink for when the warm weather comes. Usually don’t need it, but in an apartment, you never can tell.
are they as bad as the vegan subreddit was? It straight up put me off becoming a vegan because they are just such fucking assholes. I was trying to see if they had any good studies for health benifits because I don’t find ethical veganism convincing personally. And they came up with what amounted to a slur to discuss non vegans (no it is not an actual slur but they sure used it like one) and it was fucking hilarious because carnist sounds way more badass than omnivore.
A carnist sounds like a incredibly hedonistic individual. Like hedonism bot just absolutely amped up.
I’ve gotta incorporate carnist into a metal as fuck username.
Misogynist men said the said thing about feminism in the 1950s.
They literally already said they weren’t looking to convert to veganism for moral reasons, so I don’t know what point you think you’re making.
There was a willing ally in the reduction of meat consumption and the mainstreaming of vegan options, but the vegan community they encountered decided that insufficient orthodoxy was reason enough to encourage their ‘carnist’ enemy to go back to murdering animals for food.
If someone in 1918 says, “I don’t think women are equal, but I do think they deserve the vote”, the correct response is not to attack them; it’s to make common cause with them until women get the vote - and fuck, that they’re already ahead of the curve may mean that they can be swayed by the positions of their new allies.
But many online vegans (and I specify online, since the only vegans I’ve met irl have been pretty nice folks, even to a ‘carnist’ like me) treat it as a religion, a fashion; an identity.
Meat is murder - but murder, apparently, is preferable to wrongthink.
I don’t see animals as people. This is the type of shit I saw, that and comparing animal ranching to slavery and artificial insemination to rape.
You’re literally going against the definition of words.
The animals do not have a choice, they do not want to be exploited and slaughtered. That is slavery period.
Forcibly impregnating someone “is not rape” what a joke. You’re heartless.
You’re using tankie logic.
Rape
1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person’s will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception.
Slavery 1. a: the practice or institution of holding people as chattel involuntarily and under threat of violence
b : the state of a person who is forced usually under threat of violence to labor for the profit of another
c: a situation or practice in which people are coerced to work under conditions that are exploitative
Again. I do not see animals as people.
It’s literally the same action but with different subjects. You’re an awful person.
I can’t wait until the mass rape of flowers begins in the spring.
Plants do not have central nervous system. Stepping on grass is not the same as stepping on kittens. Giving birth is a painful process each time.
I agree. But then we run into the issue that it is “literally the same action but with different subjects.”
Your previous comment implied subject does not matter; now you are saying it very much does.
I think this is the fundamental disconnect between vegans and non vegans. I think most non vegans have a human centric moral system and vegans have a much more all encompassing moral system.
That’s the first correct thing you said in this thread. Just because someone is not human does not mean it’s okay to harm them.
Is keeping bees harming them? This isn’t a straw man I have seen people seriously argue that it is. What about keeping chickens just for eggs. They are safer than they would be in the wild and you don’t have to do any form of artificial insemination. What about keeping goats for milk?
Edit: Holy shit I got the CJ treatment if feel like a star. This is fucking hilarious.
I murdered an animal the other week. Not even for food. Its corpse is off rotting somewhere now.
Separately, I have some animal-murder spray below the sink for when the warm weather comes. Usually don’t need it, but in an apartment, you never can tell.