• zagaberoo@beehaw.org
    41·
    3 days ago

    This can be read completely opposite ways depending on one’s starting perspective.

    Fourth panel e.g.: “And how did the native peoples’ failure to enforce border integrity work out for them?”

  • kitnaht@lemmy.world
    611·
    3 days ago

    Colonists aren’t us. We aren’t them. We don’t have to pay for their sins. It was a vastly different time back then, and the rules have changed. The same way I’m not responsible for slavery. I don’t owe anyone for the sins of my (fore)fathers.

    Go look at other countries immigration laws, and many of them are much worse than ours. Every civilized nation has them, and using emotional weaseling doesn’t absolve people of needing to meet those requirements.

    • paultimate14@lemmy.world
      61·
      3 days ago

      Most Americans aren’t even related to original colonists (not that it really matters anyways) The US has had several large influxes of immigrants throughout its history. The Irish fleeing genocide from the Brits. The huge waves fleeing World War 1 and World War 2. Fleeing the USSR, or fleeing the former Soviet states as they collapsed. The US has traditionally been a haven for people fleeing all sorts of horrors in the world.

      Even with all that immigration, the US needs more. The USA is the 184th most densely populated country, according to the UN. The current fertility rate in the US of 1.787 means that the counry would be seeing population decrease if not for immigration.

      You’re right that the colonists existed in a different time and with different rules. The beauty of that is that we can learn from the past and make better rules today to allow more immigrants in. Pretty much every economic study that wasn’t based in racism agrees that immigration is good for economies.

      There are countries with both more and less strict laws around immigration. I do not see the value of those comparisons- like yeah North Korea doesn’t let people in… Should I want to be like them?

    • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
      24·
      3 days ago

      Nah, we didn’t do those things. But if you know about them and don’t help to right the wrongs committed then that have very real consequences in modern times then you’re a weak bitch.

      • kitnaht@lemmy.world
        47·
        3 days ago

        Nobody gives a crap about the emotional manipulation that your type so often employs. Calling names doesn’t change the fact that we’re not responsible for the things that happened in the past. We’re not required to 'right the wrongs committed" because we didn’t commit them.

        That would be like jailing someone’s family because the father stole bread to eat. That’s not justice.

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
          44·
          3 days ago

          ^weak bitch mentality. Whatever son, we will go ahead and pick up your fucking slack like we always do while you play the victim like you always do. But don’t expect us to respect you while we do it.

          • kitnaht@lemmy.world
            36·
            3 days ago

            play the victim like you always do

            Bit of projection there, don’tcha think? Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing here? Saying that you’re a victim and need people to “make it right”? Nahhhh fool.