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I am not going to explain this to an American for the umpteenth time, the truth of the matter is that, outside of American sensibilities, the Democrats are not leftists. The rest of the world see Democrats as centre right by virtue of their policies. If you put the Democratic Party in Europe, they will have more in common with the conservative German CDU and centrist neoliberal French president Macron.
Or elitists that make something significantly less bad impossible because they can’t have blood on their hands.
The people who didn’t vote have more blood on their hands than the ones who voted for Kamala. Basic practicality for the common good is disappearing, just like the capitalists wanted to achieve with their think tank wedge issues and culture wars.
I’m not sure where you got that I need that condescending lecture. I don’t, and it’s beside the point entirely.
My point was that a protest vote or staying home is somehow forgivable to people like you who rage about Democrats when in reality voters chose this fucking horror show. You’d love for me to believe it’s all the fault of Democrats for being super conservative or whatever, but the evidence in front of us doesn’t support that. It’s just weird speculation in which you choose to blame the party and ignore voters’ bad actions.
It’s quite easy to see the “if I can’t have it my way, trump can fuck everything up” attitude in voters who say they’re leftists, but instead you only see it in Democrats.
Yes, and our culture has changed a LOT since all of that. There is plenty of blame to go around, but I can’t not blame people who can literally look up any information in the world in seconds from a device in their pocket, but instead they simply choose to believe whatever horseshit they already believe. No skepticism whatsoever.
Then other voters who don’t give enough of a shit to even go vote have the gall to want to be seen as superior for that – because they’d rather the world burn if they can’t get their way. Fuck this timeline. Your previous comment suggests you won’t have to suffer this like I will-- I’m American
To be fair, ever since Hillary Clinton paid off DNC debt, the Democratic party turned right and deliberately sidelined more popular left leaning politicians like Sanders and AOC.
The voters are as much to blame but in the way you think. Who are the ones who keep voting down building more affordable housing in solid blue states like California and New York? The same self-proclaimed “progressives” who claim to feel bad for the homeless, are the same ones who will object to building more affordable housing because it will bring down their property value. At the end of the day, it is about the bottomline for many people. If you have watched Squid Game, that is the point the show makes. If given enough financial incentive, a good person could turn bad.
You’re going a lot off hypotheticals. You’re trying to say the election was lost because some closeted republicans voted in their own interests?
How about the obvious explanations which we saw every day? People claiming to be on the left who voted third party or sat at home. And people who voted in 2020 but couldn’t be bothered to vote at all. Those were BAD voter decisions and we know for sure they happened. Grasping at straws to explain the electoral outcome when those are right there in our face… Is concerning to me.
They are not closeted Republicans, these NIMBY/centrist liberals are liberals in the original definition of the word. Socially progressive but economically conservative. If you put the Democrats and these centrists in Europe, they are a lot more closer to the German conservative CDU and neoliberal French president Macron. Their policies are not friendly to the broader working and middle class.
So with all that said, why would people vote for Democrats who only give breadcrumbs, instead of doubling down on building affordable housing; raising minimum wage; and implementing Medicare-for-all? In the midst of growing wealth inequality, all the Democrats could say is: “I am not my opponent”.
The American people are going right, only because there is no actual effective left wing progressives in power, because they are being sidelined by centrist/NIMBY liberals and the Democratic Party itself, who are beholden to the all mighty dollar.
By your same logic, these super smart “leftists” would rather Donald Trump usher in fascism than the rest of us not move further left.
I am not going to explain this to an American for the umpteenth time, the truth of the matter is that, outside of American sensibilities, the Democrats are not leftists. The rest of the world see Democrats as centre right by virtue of their policies. If you put the Democratic Party in Europe, they will have more in common with the conservative German CDU and centrist neoliberal French president Macron.
But they would be a move to the left (coming from the current state, which is Republicans).
But apparently most American voters do not want to move left, not even an inch.
Theyre brainwashed or cowards
Or elitists that make something significantly less bad impossible because they can’t have blood on their hands.
The people who didn’t vote have more blood on their hands than the ones who voted for Kamala. Basic practicality for the common good is disappearing, just like the capitalists wanted to achieve with their think tank wedge issues and culture wars.
I’m not sure where you got that I need that condescending lecture. I don’t, and it’s beside the point entirely.
My point was that a protest vote or staying home is somehow forgivable to people like you who rage about Democrats when in reality voters chose this fucking horror show. You’d love for me to believe it’s all the fault of Democrats for being super conservative or whatever, but the evidence in front of us doesn’t support that. It’s just weird speculation in which you choose to blame the party and ignore voters’ bad actions.
It’s quite easy to see the “if I can’t have it my way, trump can fuck everything up” attitude in voters who say they’re leftists, but instead you only see it in Democrats.
The working class used to be the Democrat voter base and those on the rust belt voted Obama. Think about it.
Yes, and our culture has changed a LOT since all of that. There is plenty of blame to go around, but I can’t not blame people who can literally look up any information in the world in seconds from a device in their pocket, but instead they simply choose to believe whatever horseshit they already believe. No skepticism whatsoever.
Then other voters who don’t give enough of a shit to even go vote have the gall to want to be seen as superior for that – because they’d rather the world burn if they can’t get their way. Fuck this timeline. Your previous comment suggests you won’t have to suffer this like I will-- I’m American
To be fair, ever since Hillary Clinton paid off DNC debt, the Democratic party turned right and deliberately sidelined more popular left leaning politicians like Sanders and AOC.
The voters are as much to blame but in the way you think. Who are the ones who keep voting down building more affordable housing in solid blue states like California and New York? The same self-proclaimed “progressives” who claim to feel bad for the homeless, are the same ones who will object to building more affordable housing because it will bring down their property value. At the end of the day, it is about the bottomline for many people. If you have watched Squid Game, that is the point the show makes. If given enough financial incentive, a good person could turn bad.
You’re going a lot off hypotheticals. You’re trying to say the election was lost because some closeted republicans voted in their own interests?
How about the obvious explanations which we saw every day? People claiming to be on the left who voted third party or sat at home. And people who voted in 2020 but couldn’t be bothered to vote at all. Those were BAD voter decisions and we know for sure they happened. Grasping at straws to explain the electoral outcome when those are right there in our face… Is concerning to me.
They are not closeted Republicans, these NIMBY/centrist liberals are liberals in the original definition of the word. Socially progressive but economically conservative. If you put the Democrats and these centrists in Europe, they are a lot more closer to the German conservative CDU and neoliberal French president Macron. Their policies are not friendly to the broader working and middle class.
So with all that said, why would people vote for Democrats who only give breadcrumbs, instead of doubling down on building affordable housing; raising minimum wage; and implementing Medicare-for-all? In the midst of growing wealth inequality, all the Democrats could say is: “I am not my opponent”.
The American people are going right, only because there is no actual effective left wing progressives in power, because they are being sidelined by centrist/NIMBY liberals and the Democratic Party itself, who are beholden to the all mighty dollar.
One last point… are we now choosing to rewrite history that Obama was the only leftist in the history of the Democratic party?