I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned [email protected] from [email protected] earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from [email protected] for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate [email protected], but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
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I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.
Yeah that tracks. Jordan’s one of the worst mods on here.
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate [email protected], but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
Oh that is interesting information, thank you!
Oh that would explain a lot lol
I used to think neo-pronouns are kinda silly, and I guess I still kinda do. But there’s no skin off my back to address people in a way that they don’t find hurtful. If people tell me my actions are hurtful to them, I try and take them at face value so long as doing so wouldn’t be hurtful to others or myself. Seems like basic conscientiousness to me.
PTB. You did nothing wrong here.
Im confused as to why they would be an issue. I had a buddy growing up that was called Paul. In high school he wanted to go by JP because Paul was his middle name and his dad was John. I fail to see the difference between calling JP what he prefers and referring to someone using their chosen pronouns should they be made clear ahead of time in an appropriate manner.
In your example, JP is not a pronoun, it’s a nickname. That’s the difference.
It’s still using the terms JP chose to refer to them. Calling someone “zher” because they asked you to is basic manners.
Pronouns are a small set of incredibly generic words to simplify reference to an established subject, grammatically speaking. Adding to the pool complicates a part of speech that is meant to be uncomplicated. Neo-pronouns are a prime example of this increased complexity.
While referring to someone as per their preference is basic manners, not complicating what’s meant to be a simple, pared down system is as well. The mutual respect English-language compromise is, imo, acceptance of the already established non-gendered pronoun “they” by the referrer and the referenced.
Is increased complexity an actual problem?
At no point have I ever seen anyone suggest that it is impolite to be asked to be referred to in a specific way. I outright reject that it is bad manners to politely request to be referred to in terms you appreciate.
While referring to someone as per their preference is basic manners, not complicating what’s meant to be a simple, pared down system is as well. The mutual respect English-language compromise is, imo, acceptance of the already established non-gendered pronoun “they” by the referrer and the referenced.
People used to call a woman Mrs or Miss depending on her marital status, wasn’t that complicating the communication of a simple system?
My beef with neo pronouns is they are used in such a way to weaponize the “political correctness” attitude of some liberal communities
Drag is a good example because they’re a blatant troll, and pretty blatantly try to get anyone who disagrees with them about anything banned for being “transphobic”
Like it’s an obvious bit, it makes the mods and admins look like fools. Drag got banned from hexbear AND .ml for this behavior.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Why are you bringing up his race at all as it is his views that are objectionable not his skin tone.
It’s not my fault white dudes tend to be the only people complaining about civil rights. If you don’t like people stating facts, then maybe turn on Fox News or sub to Trump on his social media. Then you won’t have to worry about it anymore.
Nah, I’ll continue to call out racism when I see it. There’s no need to bring up his race.
Well, when you write your next comment, don’t do it then. See, that’s how things work. You write your comments, and I write mine.
Have a look at the article yourself: https://www.opb.org/news/series/racenw/race-northwest-united-states-jordan-lund-portland/
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there?
One will bait, then other will ban to maintain the image of propriety
No, he is not.
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
I’d hope that anyone online enough to become a Lemmy moderator would know better, but plenty of people think trolling means doing absolutely anything anyone might not be entirely happy with online. That definition seems to be the prevailing one on TV and radio news, so people who don’t engage with online culture would pick it up that way. That would cover things like posting a joke which was poorly received, whether it was just terrible or because it was offensive, and whether or not you knew it was potentially offensive.
There’s also the matter of whether trolling is trying to intentionally provoke people specifically by pretending to be an idiot (and looking at Wikipedia, it’s sometimes as an attempt at humour rather than to provoke - e.g. Ken M isn’t trying to upset anyone, but is pretending to be an idiot or misinformed).
So there are plenty of definitions of trolling going around, and it’s plausible that moderators might sometimes use one that’s wildly incompatible with your definition.
I mean, further looking and it’s almost certainly B. I think people like to ascribe ill-intent when they just knee-jerk to disagreement. “Trolling” here was absolutely the wrong choice of verbiage.
Trolling is generally pretext to censor content and or tone of speech
I rarely see trolling here tbh maybe dragon fucker but he is so committed to it, whatever
I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don’t always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.
I had/have no idea what’s going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.
For what it’s worth I thought I was being respectful in my dissent, I was even keeping my comments to the one thread and not attempting to insult anyone. I’m entirely open to this just being coincidence.
Fair point. I’ll restore the comments and remove the ban
thank you! sorry to raise a stink, I appreciate the quick response!
Caught me on my lunch break, and this is a community I love lurking in.
Thanks!
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
Anyone who uses the term “shitlib” tend to trend towards trump supporter level of dumbass I’ve noticed
Honestly .world seems to be turning into the same shit that reddit was except even more hypocritical cause they “arent reddit” is there a tool I can use to migrate my account?
Account settings - export settings In a new account - account settings - import settings
You shouldn’t judge an entire group of people, by the tag on their names.
Valid point, but yours is so cool it’s hard not to notice it 😄
😂
No, you should judge them based on their political opinions and lack of empathy. And as it just so happens, .world is full of shitlibs.
Who exactly? I will judge them with you!
Well, start with Jordan, since this post is about him. Won’t be hard to find all about him, he’s been mentioned in this community more times than anyone except perhaps FlyingSquid.
A recent example about lack of empathy
I know Matt Walsh is a complete and utter tool, but what was the video Jordan linked (url doesn’t work when I copy it)? Just wondering about the context. I do think drag is probably a troll, but I understand Ada’s position and I don’t think there’s a point to arguing over it anymore, especially whilst on blahaj.
I don’t find your comments in news to be trolling at all.
Here’s the YouTube video that was linked. Essentially another person using neopronouns in a similar manner followed by Walsh failing to find the grammar to articulate a snarky comment about grammar.
https://youtube.com/shorts/_ymEiWyyl4A
OP’s link doesn’t work for me either so I copied it from the screenshot. My phone also had trouble copying from the screenshot since it read the lowercase L “l” as a vertical bar “|”.
the link in question: CW transphobia
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I think neopronouns defeat the purpose of pronouns as when they become bespoke like this they cease being linguistic shortcuts but I also think calling people mentally ill for expressing themselves doesn’t do anyone any good either.
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Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it’s calling out hasbara
Neo lib regime whoring do be like that
Jordanlund is petty lil bitch so this checks out purely from trust me bro angle << debunked
But at the same time, if y’all are banning each other, y’all kinda deserve each other.
Matt walsh is feces tho, no doubt.
