The amount of left wing folks on some of the more extreme instances bashing the most left wing people in the American Democratic party because they’re not complete socialist idiologes is just wild. Like I want to see a major shift towards some form of democratic socialism in America and think we definitely need real change in that direction, but the hatred for elected officials closest to your views just because they aren’t extreme enough for you is silly.
I don’t understand why they feel the need to attack the left win branch of the DNC when Joe Manchin equists. When the Republican party exists. Focus efforts on some positive change and getting people you want in office instead of trying to tear down what should be an ally. Make the people you think aren’t extreme left enough the conservatives of a new wave. The defeatest attitude that just criticizes the closest thing they have to what they want is just silly.
Other than a violent change of the guard/revolution. It’s not going to be an instant process. You have to accept small progress where you can get it.
We should fight, unapologetically, for 100% of everything we want to see. When did the right wing tea party say “Thank you for meeting us half way, we are so grateful, we will now go along to get along.” Never. The right wing get 80% of everything they want from an absolute minority position precisely because they fight for 100% of everything they want 100% of the time. The left needs to pay attention.
There are no long term allies, only long term interests.
When did the right wing tea party say “Thank you for meeting us half way, we are so grateful, we will now go along to get along.”
They also never said “we refuse to vote as some kind of moronic protest against politicians not far right enough for us”.
The Tea Party gained control of a significant fraction of the Republican party by voting in primary elections, something which we on the left are too stupid to do.
Folks don’t realize real change can’t happen drastically and realistically be expected to remain. It’s going to be baby steps. Getting them to believe gradual change isn’t worth fighting for is a great way to maintain the status quo. They don’t raise they are their own worst enemies.
Are you talking about the French revolution that resulted in the installation of Emperor Napoleon and a renewed French imperialism? That could be argued was a reason for the Vietnam war?
Exactly. It sucks, but it’s just the truth. I’d love to vote for an openly socialist presidential candidate, but we have to slowly shift the political views for a long while before that’s viable.
Imagine talking about being a real leftist wanting real leftist stuff but calling the Democratic Party the furthest left thing in America. Jesus fucking Christ.
“You talk clean and bomb hospitals
So I speak with the foulest mouth possible”
RTJ
And I think we’re aware things won’t happen quickly, but that doesn’t mean we have to be uncritical of capitalist politicians who are also actively hostile to leftism.
Also every inherently flawed, means tested, half measure liberal policy that gets confused for leftism (like Obamacare, which was based on Heritage Foundation ideas) just makes it harder to get support on the left.
The amount of left wing folks on some of the more extreme instances bashing the most left wing people in the American Democratic party because they’re not complete socialist idiologes is just wild. Like I want to see a major shift towards some form of democratic socialism in America and think we definitely need real change in that direction, but the hatred for elected officials closest to your views just because they aren’t extreme enough for you is silly.
I don’t understand why they feel the need to attack the left win branch of the DNC when Joe Manchin equists. When the Republican party exists. Focus efforts on some positive change and getting people you want in office instead of trying to tear down what should be an ally. Make the people you think aren’t extreme left enough the conservatives of a new wave. The defeatest attitude that just criticizes the closest thing they have to what they want is just silly.
Other than a violent change of the guard/revolution. It’s not going to be an instant process. You have to accept small progress where you can get it.
Hatred of allies: NO
Holding our allies’ feet to the fire: YES
We should not meekly accept a few crumbs.
We should fight, unapologetically, for 100% of everything we want to see. When did the right wing tea party say “Thank you for meeting us half way, we are so grateful, we will now go along to get along.” Never. The right wing get 80% of everything they want from an absolute minority position precisely because they fight for 100% of everything they want 100% of the time. The left needs to pay attention.
There are no long term allies, only long term interests.
They also never said “we refuse to vote as some kind of moronic protest against politicians not far right enough for us”.
The Tea Party gained control of a significant fraction of the Republican party by voting in primary elections, something which we on the left are too stupid to do.
Folks don’t realize real change can’t happen drastically and realistically be expected to remain. It’s going to be baby steps. Getting them to believe gradual change isn’t worth fighting for is a great way to maintain the status quo. They don’t raise they are their own worst enemies.
Are you seriously arguing against the French Revolution right now? What the fuck is wrong with liberals I stg
Are you talking about the French revolution that resulted in the installation of Emperor Napoleon and a renewed French imperialism? That could be argued was a reason for the Vietnam war?
Gradual change sets the conditions for drastical change.
Exactly. It sucks, but it’s just the truth. I’d love to vote for an openly socialist presidential candidate, but we have to slowly shift the political views for a long while before that’s viable.
Imagine talking about being a real leftist wanting real leftist stuff but calling the Democratic Party the furthest left thing in America. Jesus fucking Christ.
“You talk clean and bomb hospitals So I speak with the foulest mouth possible”
And I think we’re aware things won’t happen quickly, but that doesn’t mean we have to be uncritical of capitalist politicians who are also actively hostile to leftism.
Also every inherently flawed, means tested, half measure liberal policy that gets confused for leftism (like Obamacare, which was based on Heritage Foundation ideas) just makes it harder to get support on the left.