No I’m not being a duck, ive watched it dozens of times, the hit on the guy sliding didn’t look dirty to me, but i wasnt able to pause to see the exact point of contact.
Dirty hit is not the same as a hit that goes badly, it implies intent to cause harm, Claude Lemieux taking out peoples knees are dirty hits, diving to tackle someone isnt a dirty hit even if it goes badly.
What happened to the guy in white after was a sucker punch though and is the very definition of a dirty hit. Regardless of why he did it doesnt change that it was clearly a sucker punch
If the initial tackle was dirty, what should i be looking for? Ill go watch it a dozen more times if you help point out what to look for
There’s way too much time between the start of the slide and the hit.
Functionally any forcible contact on a sliding QB is a personal foul. If you push him down hard with your arms after a slide, that’s a penalty, and an offensive player is going to get in your face bare minimum. The ball is stopped, and further contact is illegal, as soon as he starts the slide. That’s the play over. That impact was helmet to helmet several steps after the play was over.
I don’t know nfl rules, thank you. Starting to slide means play is stopped? You dont need contact to stop the play? Okay that certainly makes changes context for what i see
I assumed (from 30 year old memory of learning ) was like when i played cfl football when i was very young, if contact isn’t made they can keep going and they aren’t “down”. Is would like to be able to see a better angle and have the ability to pause.
I disagree that too much time happened before the defense started the motion to tackle, i could never stop in the amount of time i see. That’s less than half a second to stop what you have already started. And while im nota preofessional or even play sports it seems super human to stop mid action
In the NFL, giving yourself up means the play is over. It’s why players will go down on one knee to end a play even though nobody tagged them. Fun fact, in college football, contact isn’t required to down a player. So if they fall down, the play is over regardless.
Also, I feel weird about the QB hits. Most QB hits while sliding are much quicker than this, like they’re about to hit them when they start going down. This still feels fast, but defenders do not hit the QBs with that much distance. So obviously for them it’s not hard to do.
I agree the second hit was really bad, but since it was retaliatory refs probably gave it a pass. The first hit would have just been a personal foul if he hasn’t aimed his forearm at the neck/ helmet area. That snap and second bounce off the ground are what caused the ejection. That second bounce was probably what sealed the deal on the concussion.
I guess my eyesight isn’t good enough from the video posted and i can’t pause it to see frame by frame like in would like. It doesn’t appear to me that contact was made on head neck, it looks like it’s made right above the number 16. Fair enough to call it dirty if its more obvious than it is to me that he aimed for the helmet.
I’ll state again though that a hit doesn’t need to be dirty for it to be bad.
First point of contact is the shoulder forearm to the head definitely happened following contact, but contact was going to be made, not sure how it wouldn’t have happened in some form.
Looks a lot worse in some of these new angles and with slow motion. Still think the retaliation was worse. Don’t care how much you are upset retaliation is not a free pass to be also bad
I’m agreeing with you in all counts. It’s football, even good hits get people hurt. I also don’t think the defender was trying to hurt the QB in that play. It’s just how it ended up and the league is definitely trying to make it safer and cracking down.
The retaliation, to me, should have been an ejection as well. Play was stopped and he was defenseless. Those shots to the back can seriously hurt or end careers. Could have giving him whiplash.
IMO it isn’t all about whether you have an explicit intent to hurt someone, rather it’s about using the wrong technique in a situation where you know that someone could get hurt. The defender gets paid a LOT of money to be one of the best at this sport, so there is a reasonable expectation that they will make every attempt to preserve their coworkers’ safety.
The QB was hit while down, on the head, hard enough to elicit a fencing response. This indicates very serious neurological damage. That means that even if you deem hitting the sliding QB reasonable, it was done with way, way too much targeted force.
No I’m not being a duck, ive watched it dozens of times, the hit on the guy sliding didn’t look dirty to me, but i wasnt able to pause to see the exact point of contact.
Dirty hit is not the same as a hit that goes badly, it implies intent to cause harm, Claude Lemieux taking out peoples knees are dirty hits, diving to tackle someone isnt a dirty hit even if it goes badly.
What happened to the guy in white after was a sucker punch though and is the very definition of a dirty hit. Regardless of why he did it doesnt change that it was clearly a sucker punch
If the initial tackle was dirty, what should i be looking for? Ill go watch it a dozen more times if you help point out what to look for
There’s way too much time between the start of the slide and the hit.
Functionally any forcible contact on a sliding QB is a personal foul. If you push him down hard with your arms after a slide, that’s a penalty, and an offensive player is going to get in your face bare minimum. The ball is stopped, and further contact is illegal, as soon as he starts the slide. That’s the play over. That impact was helmet to helmet several steps after the play was over.
I don’t know nfl rules, thank you. Starting to slide means play is stopped? You dont need contact to stop the play? Okay that certainly makes changes context for what i see
I assumed (from 30 year old memory of learning ) was like when i played cfl football when i was very young, if contact isn’t made they can keep going and they aren’t “down”. Is would like to be able to see a better angle and have the ability to pause.
I disagree that too much time happened before the defense started the motion to tackle, i could never stop in the amount of time i see. That’s less than half a second to stop what you have already started. And while im nota preofessional or even play sports it seems super human to stop mid action
In the NFL, giving yourself up means the play is over. It’s why players will go down on one knee to end a play even though nobody tagged them. Fun fact, in college football, contact isn’t required to down a player. So if they fall down, the play is over regardless.
Also, I feel weird about the QB hits. Most QB hits while sliding are much quicker than this, like they’re about to hit them when they start going down. This still feels fast, but defenders do not hit the QBs with that much distance. So obviously for them it’s not hard to do.
I agree the second hit was really bad, but since it was retaliatory refs probably gave it a pass. The first hit would have just been a personal foul if he hasn’t aimed his forearm at the neck/ helmet area. That snap and second bounce off the ground are what caused the ejection. That second bounce was probably what sealed the deal on the concussion.
I guess my eyesight isn’t good enough from the video posted and i can’t pause it to see frame by frame like in would like. It doesn’t appear to me that contact was made on head neck, it looks like it’s made right above the number 16. Fair enough to call it dirty if its more obvious than it is to me that he aimed for the helmet.
I’ll state again though that a hit doesn’t need to be dirty for it to be bad.
Edit: Variety of angles
First point of contact is the shoulder forearm to the head definitely happened following contact, but contact was going to be made, not sure how it wouldn’t have happened in some form.
Looks a lot worse in some of these new angles and with slow motion. Still think the retaliation was worse. Don’t care how much you are upset retaliation is not a free pass to be also bad
I’m agreeing with you in all counts. It’s football, even good hits get people hurt. I also don’t think the defender was trying to hurt the QB in that play. It’s just how it ended up and the league is definitely trying to make it safer and cracking down.
The retaliation, to me, should have been an ejection as well. Play was stopped and he was defenseless. Those shots to the back can seriously hurt or end careers. Could have giving him whiplash.
It may make you happy to learn that the player that retaliated WAS ejected, as well as another Jags player who shoved him.
https://youtu.be/xSAL17ByqII
IMO it isn’t all about whether you have an explicit intent to hurt someone, rather it’s about using the wrong technique in a situation where you know that someone could get hurt. The defender gets paid a LOT of money to be one of the best at this sport, so there is a reasonable expectation that they will make every attempt to preserve their coworkers’ safety.
The QB was hit while down, on the head, hard enough to elicit a fencing response. This indicates very serious neurological damage. That means that even if you deem hitting the sliding QB reasonable, it was done with way, way too much targeted force.