• IndiBrony@lemmy.worldEnglish
    441·
    11 days ago

    But it is about choice: your choice of which version of Linux and which variation of Firefox you’re going to use.

    Silly OP.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      11 days ago

      Systemd is on my list of “meh, who cares, it works”. Plus, it’s been so long since I messed around with initd that I don’t think I’m able to do it without relearning stuff.

      I’m not a big fan of systemd messing with dns, but I’ll survive. I’m sure I can do some fidgeting and disable it, relying on editing /etc/resol.conf like I used to, but it works well enough now that I can’t be arsed.

    • corsicanguppyEnglish
      75·
      11 days ago

      haters

      We prefer “best practice adherents”.

      • freewheel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 days ago

        Best practices change. For example, no one is still recommending manually editing the CHS start of a boot partition on your spinning rust device in order to optimize throughput.

    • JoYo@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      11 days ago

      what’s not to like? seriously, what’s not systemd these days? it just absorbs coreutils like a cancer.

    • tengkuizdihar@programming.devEnglish
      13·
      11 days ago

      People bitch about it because of it’s wide usage in a system. But distros like systems because it has a wide usage within a system.

    • Limonene@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      11 days ago

      Yes, most of them do, and that is why I complain about it. I want to have the choice. I don’t mind if other people use systemd; I just don’t want it forced one me.

      • freewheel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 days ago

        Gentoo, Arch, and their derivatives still exist. How important is a legacy init system to you?

        • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          11 days ago

          FYI: Arch uses systemd.

          I don’t mind systemd so I haven’t tried to rip it out, but I can’t imagine trying to replace it with a legacy init system is going to be smooth sailing.

          • freewheel@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 days ago

            Probably true, but Arch being what it is, there’s still the option to install sysvinit or whatever. The question remains - how important is NOT using systemd to the admin in question?

    • madthumbs@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      63·
      11 days ago

      Yes, and that’s the FUNNY part about it! Lennart went against the UNIX philosophy and is hated for it, but so did Linus Torvalds with the monolithic kernel, and Richard Stallman with Emacs.

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
        92·
        11 days ago

        The “do one thing and do it well” mantra is such bullshit. You can slice up the things stuff does differently however best suits your argument. Oh, wc? I don’t use it because it violates the unix philosophy. It can count words and lines. That’s two things.

      • VilianEnglish
        1·
        10 days ago

        And systemd don’t violate it, systemd is the name of the project with a bunch of binary inside each onde doing their job, it’s like complaining that Mesa don’t follow Unix philosophy just because it has multiple drives inside the project

      • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
        32·
        11 days ago

        The Unix philosophy never made sense.
        All parts of a program should do one thing well and communicate with other modules over a simple, common interface.
        But software that offers all the features a user will need under a big umbrella with unified UI and UX is much better than “this program uses different syntax because it came from Unix and not GNU”

        • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          11 days ago

          But software that offers all the features a user will need under a big umbrella with unified UI and UX is much better than “this program uses different syntax because it came from Unix and not GNU”

          Yes and no.

          A consistent UX is definitely a major bonus, but not if it comes at the cost of oversimplification. If the program gives me an experience gift-wrapped and with a nice little bow on top, but only gives me that kids’ gloves experience, it becomes a much worse experience when you need to do anything outside the happy path.

          Imagine trying to script git workflows without access to any of the plumbing commands like rev-parse, rev-list, and format strings. You would have to parse the output of git log and git show, hoping that they don’t introduce a new change to the output—a much worse experience.

          All parts of a program should do one thing well and communicate with other modules over a simple, common interface.

          Fun fact: you basically described dbus.

    • corsicanguppyEnglish
      12·
      11 days ago

      And one day you’ll learn that ‘popular’ isn’t often ‘good’. I think we called it a Lithium Lick when Apple did it.

    • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      11 days ago

      Go fuck yourself, Canonical. When I install a package through a package manager, I want the package I requested—not the bullshit you tried to force down my throat.

      • udon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 days ago

        the other difference between snap and systemd is that there are clearly better alternatives to snap that are technologically superior in practically every sense and not tied to some company that tries to sell out.