• halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    It’s because on the surface it looks like the classic bullshit “both sides” claim. Where one side is clearly worse but they try to make it seem like both are similar.

    Not sure if this is different to be honest. The Rs have been trying to undermine the EPA for decades, there’s a long history there that shouldn’t be ignored even if recent D admins haven’t been great.

    I don’t have the time to do a deeper dive at the moment, likely others don’t want to even bother, so they just downvote since a good 90% of the time the both sides type responses are disingenuous.

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        2 months ago

        Supporting oil and fracking isn’t even in the same ballpark as wanting to deregulate and eliminate the EPA entirely.

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          2 months ago

          But they ARE in the same ballpark tho.

          I don’t see the vast difference you do.

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            2 months ago

            The news cycles manufacture* polarization so people think there is a huge difference between both parties, and there really isn’t. We’ve gone so far right, that right is considered left, and anyone alive who’s been paying attention and speaks on it is accused of being too old/bot/shill/foreign propagandists du jour.

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                  I’m a big fan of two different but similar thoughts.

                  When a person tells you who/what they are, believe them

                  And

                  I judge things based on what they output, not by rhetoric said at the beginning. Intentions are great but y’all get no points for em. All I care about are results.

                  Neoliberalism, as it plays out, is corporatism. There’s a revolving door between industry and Congress. Citizens United. Legalized bribery/lobbying. No one or thing has benefitted more from the last 43 years than the corporation.

                  Mussolini, the first fascist, the guy who started it all came up with the word, commissioned a giant big brother face on the outside of his building (for real yo, that shit is terrifying), summarily defined fascism as the merger of the corporation and the state. Indeed, if you open the history books, his entire government was made up of industry leaders. It might be the closest we’ve come to technocracy actually.

                  I can only conclude that neoliberalism is fascism-lite and I feel I’m being generous there. Corporations are set up with authoritarian framework complete with the cult of personality worship of the CEO who’s above reproach/questioning/the law. There is not one thing democratic about it, which should terrify you, when you couple that thought with the fact that corporations are hell bent on monopoly at any cost. Any. Cost.

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                    Oh honey! You’re preaching to the choir, here, because I wholly agree and yeah, I’ve mentioned that about Mussolini, here, but a lot of users had a fit of pique over it. And I’m just beginning to learn, myself, despite having watched it since Nixon.

                    Thanks for typing all that out, though, I look forward to learning from and maybe with you!