I agree. Also, he was acquitted on all counts.
Not only was he one of the best performers, he was also an incredible composer. He heard “Beat It” in his head so clearly, he recorded a demo of the whole song using an 8 channel mixer and cassette.
https://www.michaeljackson.com/news/listen-to-michael-jacksons-beat-it-demo-from-thriller-40/
There’s a good chance he really was innocent, but being weird around kids like that is enough to tank your career regardless, which is probably for the best.
It’s an odd case. Whilst most agree that he wasn’t a full blown child rapist, it’s clear that he had an interest in young boys that went further than just fantasy, but people choose to ignore it because “BeAt It ThO!!!”.
You can appreciate art whilst knowing that the artist was sick.
His father was physically and emotionally abusive to him and his siblings, forcing them to forgo their childhood for fame. He built and lived in an amusement park and would invite kids over to enjoy it. His story reads more like a trauma victim looking to live his missing childhood through others than “a sick artist.”
I agree that his upbringing is an extenuating circumstance and I do believe that caused him to be repressed in many ways, that doesn’t mean he didn’t act out some fantasies that he had with young boys.
“Sick” is a term that’s open to interpretation, some would say that the things he was accused of are sick, others would interpret that he was mentally unwell. I would say it’s a bit of both.
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Well, y’know, Anon. There was some other stuff.
What stuff?
Please show us something, anything.
Was he weird? Fuck yes. Was he a pedo: acquitted on all accounts. So hell no.
Solid rebuttal.
I mean you should know better than thinking that pedos being acquitted means something. If we have learned anything from Epstein, its that famous pedos and powerful people like to mingle.
I think we would have an easier time if we would start to have different words for people being attracted to children and for people raping children. That way we could say MJ was attracted to children in a concerning way but it is apparent that he did not abuse children sexually.
If only there was way
Pretty sure some parents used sodium amytal on the then children now adults claiming he did something and prior they denied it
Sodium amytal can cause false memories
Like sodium amytal
by all accounts
Wouldn’t that include the aforementioned documentaries?
Are people still into arguing about what this dead 80s superstar did? I don’t know. I think it’s kinda baity.
Joe Jackson fucked up all his kids, but he really tried hardest on Michael
Good to be the favorite
Anyone who thinks Jackson wasn’t a pedophile is willfully blind.
Being a great artist doesn’t stop you from being a very sick man. His upbringing certainly is an extenuating circumstance, but it doesn’t change the nature of his relationships with young boys.
Edit: to the people defending him, I put it to you that you are blinded by stardom. If any other man was fascinated with young boys in the same way, you’d think they were extremely weird at best and probably think much worse.
His father was a complete piece of shit and treated him horribly and also he was never really allowed a proper childhood.
So I have heard some people argue that perhaps he was not a pedophile, but rather just really mentally ill, partly believing to be a kid that just wanted child playmates. Still wrong for an adult to act like this, but perhaps there was no sexual misconduct.
Not sure what to believe and perhaps I just don’t want him to be a villain, but I would like to hear if there is some concrete evidence.
The thing is - there is no evidence of sexual misconduct. He’s been investigated by just about everyone from local cops to the FBI since the early 90s, and despite the outcry there’s never been evidence. Considering how our justice system dealt with another high-profile figure’s history of sexual abuse, I have to believe something concrete would’ve turned up by now.
Inappropriate? Absolutely. Illegal? Pedophilia? Doubtful. I mean, provided we genuinely believe in “Innocent until proven guilty” ideal…
Is there a single viable claim against him?
From what I recall it was parents trying ton get money and nobody confirmed he abused them, even McAuley Cullen.
Leaving Neverland https://g.co/kgs/8Bqcp49
I watched this not just with an open mind, but like you and many others here, with the mind that people were colluding to extort money from Jackson. This completely changed my mind.
I mean, I get it. If one of my favourite artists was accused of being a pedo, I’d defend them and say the claims can’t be proven etc.
In this case, I think it’s safe to say that whilst he wasn’t a full blown child rapist, that he clearly had an attraction to young boys that went much further than just fantasy.
I can’t stand MJ music so he is far from an idol of mine.
I just haven’t seen any evidence or convictions to claim he was a pedo. Even in this documentary, that I’ve seen a while ago.
I don’t believe that you watched both parts of that documentary and still thought that nothing untowards was going on.
Almost as though conjecture will leave people with different views on things aye.
Aye. Some people will be of the view that being fascinated with young boys is strange at best, other people will make excuses and say that it’s very unlikely that anything untowards went on anyway.
To be clear, however strange, it isn’t illegal to have more in common with children.
As appears to be the case for MJ.
In this case, I think it’s safe to say that whilst he wasn’t a full blown child rapist, that he clearly had an attraction to young boys that went much further than just fantasy.
What with the whole Wonderland, seems like it, yeah.
However… was that attraction sexual, per se?
. Being a weirdly childish dude who wants to play with children seems way less worse than pretending to be a weird childish dude in order to rape kids.
At the end of the day, we’ll probably never know and many people argue that he should get the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise.
I think not only was his childhood repressed, but also his sexual development and I’d be absolutely unsurprised to find that his attraction to young boys was partly, at least some of the time, sexual.
There are probably just as many people coming out to say they accused him just for the money than people actually accusing him. I’m not saying he’s innocent, but i’m pretty sure i know him just as well as you do. Maybe you are willfully blind because you just want him to be a paedophile
I don’t really care for his music and his behavior was immature at best (all can be chaulked up to his father.) but I’ll believe evidence of his misdeeds when I see it. Every single accusation was walked back and admitted to be pressured by parents or lawyers for an out of court settlement and every investigation, including by the FBI found zero wrong doing. If he had inappropriately touched a child we’d have some evidence about it.
Some accusations are also doubtful due to the use of sodium amytal
Nah I don’t think he did. Two reasons
Every accusation is super weak and some get walked back. Michael Jackson suffered from toxic masculinity, he wasn’t allowed to play with children because he was a man. Society is the issue there.
Second reason that sells it, Macaulay Culkin, Hollywood fucked this dude up he’s literally talked about it and he says Michael was legit.
Macaulay Culkin saying that nothing happened to him doesn’t mean nothing happend with any other of the young boys.
was a modest extremely nice guy by all accounts
Sounds like Anon is missing a LOT of accounts.
Maybe it was all kiddy diddling
Testimony from those around him and supposed victims go the opposite way. Film and music industry is full of a lot of pedos, but MJ seems to have done his best to shield them from it and make moves to distupt the process established pedos used to lure in victims.
Think of how Wienstien used his connections to ruin those who opposed his rapist methods and now imagine how people with money, wealth and relative anonymity to everyone but those they have power over would try to get revenge on a public figure like MJ literally cockblocking them.
We’re gonna disrupt the pedo establishment!
By getting rid of all the pedos right?
right?
Definitely not the impression I got from everything I’ve read. The whole sleeping in the same bed with kids, keeping books with naked pictures of children, showing porn to kids (perhaps the most common method predators use to try to groom children), and the whole thing with setting up an alarm around his bedroom.
Keep in mind that a lot of the information I’ve seen was from a Wordpress blog bent on defending Jackson in any and every way possible, and yet I still think the case they make is not really convincing. The author speculates about what “true grooming” looks like, and why MJ’s actions supposedly don’t fit their personal expectations of grooming. They also try to justify him keeping those books with pictures of naked kids as if that was a normal thing to do.
Maybe if it was just one of these things it could still be justified as MJ just being weird. But it’s all off these things, a clear pattern of behavior and accusations for which the simplest explanation is that MJ was indeed a predator. What I can say is that if these accusations were directed at some random dude down the road I definitely wouldn’t want my kids going near him.
From the source you listed (because I have heard of the magazines but didn’t look much into it ag the time) the author posits that the two books that had pictures of children were a gift from a fan, and the second he includes an inscription from Jackson discussing the joy of youth he’s seeing in the images and that he’s sad he didn’t have that kind of childhood. Which, weird, but not damning to me.
But I couldn’t find a credible source for the “showing children pornography” portion you mentioned, do you have anything for that? My impression so far has been ‘weird dude, if I knew him I still probably wouldn’t let my kids sleep over but I wouldn’t let my kid sleep over ANY adult’s house, especially not a celebrity’.
But I couldn’t find a credible source for the “showing children pornography” portion you mentioned
It’s from one of the kid’s testimony in the first link (it starts with “Now, when you first saw the suitcase, where was it in that room.”), where he talks about how Michael showed him and his brother some porn mags. The first time he was hanging out with MJ while he was putting on makeup, and MJ picked up a suitcase with the porn mags and showed the kid one of the pictures. In the second occasion the kid can’t recall if he or his brother brought up the suitcase or if MJ did, but he says that they were all looking at the magazines together for “30 minutes to an hour”.
Regarding the books specifically, it’s one of those elements that on their own could be interpreted as just MJ being kinda weird. We know the first book was a gift given the fan’s inscription, and it’s fairly reasonable to assume that the second one was a gift too. As the blog post points out the third book wasn’t brought up in court and wasn’t with the other two books, but it’s still reasonable to assume that it belonged to MJ. To me the way the blog author tries to “soften” the book definitely points to some bias in their part:
The third book, that was confiscated in 1993 In Search of Young Beauty: A Venture Into Photographic Art (Charles Du Bois Hodges, 1964) which contains both boys and girls, mostly dressed, but some nude or semi-nude.
If we squint a bit we could just chalk these up to MJ possibly being a nudist or being a bit weird. I certainly think it’s odd that he had books with pictures of nude children in them, and even liked one of them enough to inscribe his own message in it, but if only the books were brought up in court I certainly wouldn’t think that’s enough evidence to convict someone. But given the whole context and other elements of the accusations I’m not willing to give MJ that much benefit of the doubt.
Because some parents mentally fucked their children’s minds with sodium amytal and gave them false memories
My guess is: the pedophilia. Just a guess though.
Did he ever get convicted over anything? Even though i won’t say he was not a pedophile, is there actually any evidence that he was? Are people really that needy for hate?
I had a roommate who was actually hating on me for listening to micheal jackson for that “reason”. Back then i sadly was afraid enough to even “associate” with a person “like that” via listening to his music. Pathetic, i know.
I wish he was still alive.
Nope. And the kids all say he never did anything sexual. He was just a very talented strange guy with serious issues from growing up.
You recon those kids just say nothing happened to keep the image of MJ in a positive light? You know, because he is already dead anyway? So persecuting him wouldn’t do anything.
Might have gotten some hush money under the table or something. So its a win-win.
If we start guessing and blaming we can assume everyone to be a child molestor.
Oh wait, you guys are already doing that…
Hee hee
Are you okay, Annie?
Michael Jackson is a good example of how being rich and successful can lead to behavior that just feeds into mental sickness. He probably thought being rich and successful justified his aberrant behavior and that he shouldn’t put himself on the level of those below him, until he eventually ended choosing drug abuse over therapy. His whole obsession with children can be traced back to his insecurities that he had been deprived of a childhood, probably in no small part due to growing up as as part of the Jackson musical group family. He must have thought he could relive with his childhood through someone else’s by using his wealth and power to create Neverland Ranch.
I think the whole spawning demons with his blood thing might have been the reason
Wut
Don’t forget his secret CP room they found in his mansion after he died.
source?? holy shit scoob
Can you bump me when you get that elusive invisible source pls
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See my comment below. All you can eat sources.
Thanks bro
Should have posted sources. Here y’all, take your pick, form your own opinion:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=child+porn+found+in+michael+jackson's+home
He made himself white.
Imagine the fallout if they all did that.
Edit:fuck you’re all boring on here.
The man had Vitiligo, his skin literally bleached itself.
He likely did have vitiligo, but as far as I know, it doesn’t lighten all your skin gradually and evenly. I don’t know if he did do something about it on purpose. You’d think if he did, at least some other people with vitiligo might choose the same option…
But either way, I don’t begrudge him the choice if it was something he did to deal with vitiligo. Honestly, I don’t know if I would begrudge him the choice even if he didn’t have vitiligo. It would certainly be an odd choice, with some social consequences, but it would be his choice.
His skin changing to white was only part of it too, he also had plastic surgery to make his facial features shaped more in-line with facial features common to white skinned populaces. His nose infamously took too much work to get the way he wanted it and ended up with problems later. Could be entirely co-incidental that the plastic surgery he wanted happened to make him look more like someone that was born genetically white skinned…
But taken together, it does seem pretty likely he wanted to identify as white.
If that was the most noteworthy thing about him, people would probably have been upset for a while, but got over it at some point. I mean “Black Alien” has certain done more to purposefully change his appearance and while we see him pop up on the internet every now and then, we tend to go back to fogetting he exists between mentions.
But Michael Jackson is noteworthy for reasons that would hold just as much merit if that part of his life completely never happened.
I, for one, am not convinced of any of the pedophilia stuff, but alot of people are. To me, the descriptions of activities the kids gave sounds so much more like a stunted childhood than anything sexual. But, assuming they were true, it’s much closer, but still wouldn’t be the most noteworthy thing about him.
He was just that much better than the next closest musician. That he could get through both those news stories coming up all the time, and still have most people think positively of him.
He never identified as white, he was proud of being black. His facial surgeries weren’t about looking more white, but more beautiful, which due to white supremacy culture includes characteristics you could describe as white but not very accurately.
He used a skin whitening cream to even out his skin tone, because there was no skin darkening cream. It’s medically possible to destroy melanin but not to easily replace it. The vitiligo comes in in spots from my understanding.
His facial surgeries weren’t about looking more white, but more beautiful, which due to white supremacy culture includes characteristics you could describe as white but not very accurately.
Notable absolute completely irredeemable piece-of-shit Joe Jackson’s constant abuse of Michael, that also included comments about his looks, specifically his “black nose”, also had something to do with it.
His serious burns from a hairspray-accelerated fire while filming a video probably played a role in him having plastic surgeries. The footage is out there for those who need proof, there was a tragic lack of proper response in the moment to his hair catching fire.
That, too!
Haha I live in a majorly aboriginal town being aboriginal myself and honestly it’s a shit show.
But your comment made me imagine me my family and everyone around wearing trousers and shirts watering our lawns with picket fences haha
Really tickles me
You Aussie cunts are all right. Think there too many yanks on here that are allergic to fun.
Cheers mate. Good thing the votes here don’t matter
there’re* Yanks* 🦅
If all who did what?
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Lol pdiddy showing up to trial white like nothing’s wrong or changed.
“Ayo your hono-ahem… Good afternoon your Honor” lol
It’s very probable that he had some form of body dysmorphia. The multiple plastic surgeries surgeries to chase after some kind of ideal self while his appearance got more and more unusual is kind of a tell.
I mean having your head set on fire for a pepsi commercial might do that to a person
