We build Signal in the open, with publicly available source code for our applications and servers. To keep Signal a free global communication service without spam, we must depart from our totally-open posture and develop one piece of the server in private: a system for detecting and disrupting spam campaigns. Unlike encryption protocols, which are designed to be provably secure even if everyone knows how they work, spam detection is an ongoing chore for which there is no concrete resolution and for which transparency is a major disadvantage.

  • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
    42·
    3 years ago

    Look, getting up in arms over Signal is not doing much. Why? Because everyone’s threat model is not the same. Not everyone is wanting 100% anonymity when using Signal. Signal is a replacement for WhatsApp, not XMPP or Matrix or Retroshare.

    Sit back for 10 minutes and think over again. I understand pretty well what you are trying to convey, and it is problematic in a similar way the points you are raising against others’ arguments.

    Please quote whoever attacked you personally, and I am going to take action against it. Harassment is not welcome on Lemmy. We all want a civil platform here.

    • PandaCoderPL@lemmy.ml
      2·
      3 years ago

      Please quote whoever attacked you personally, and I am going to take action against it. Harassment is not welcome on Lemmy. We all want a civil platform here.

      I’m pretty sure this user is talking about me after I disagreed with him multiple times in this discussion. Feel free to review the discussion and let me know if any of my statements is harassing this user in any way.

      • CHEF-KOCH@lemmy.ml
        12·
        3 years ago

        It is off-topic and smear campaign against me, my work that is all. How is that relevant to topic. It s not.

        • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
          42·
          3 years ago

          Here goes for both of you, @[email protected] and @[email protected], please do not fight it out here publicly. If you want to pick a fight, go do it in DMs or a realtime chat platform like Matrix or XMPP.

          All I see is a petty argument between you two, and getting riled up over what is typical privacy community drama. Do not make yourself another GrapheneOS vs CopperheadOS, it makes both look like fools.

          • PandaCoderPL@lemmy.ml
            21·
            3 years ago

            please do not fight it out here publicly.

            @[email protected] publicly accused me of harassing him so I felt it will be good to defend myself also publicly.

            If you want to pick a fight, go do it in DMs or a realtime chat platform like Matrix or XMPP.

            Of course that would be a better option but I didn’t want to look like I’m avoiding his baseless accusations. If someone is calling me out publicly, they can be sure I will answer publicly as well.

            All I see is a petty argument between you two, and getting riled up over what is typical privacy community drama. Do not make yourself another GrapheneOS vs CopperheadOS, it makes both look like fools.

            I was only replying to that user and for me, the argument related to his past activity is over. Hopefully he will understand that and will also stop replying to me about that issue.

            I appreciate that your reaction but I hope you will try to understand my point of view as well. Thank you in advance.

          • CHEF-KOCH@lemmy.ml
            12·
            3 years ago

            First useful comment here. Thanks.

            I suggest locking this thread, cleaning it. My Guild is here. People with objective and constructive criticism are welcome.

            I already predict that this will happen and requested multiple times to lock this because this is all off-topic and a vendetta against my in person, nothing more. The user simply wanted to smuggle his argument inside wrapped up Signal posts to make me look like a fool.

            • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
              32·
              3 years ago

              The moment I see another spark that is about to become a housefire in this thread, I will lock it. I doubt anything will happen now.

          • CHEF-KOCH@lemmy.ml
            12·
            3 years ago

            Claiming something without been involved, checking the facts and abusing it on a high traffic website is a smear campaign, as per definition.

            It makes it so or so not better because it is still off-topic.

            • PandaCoderPL@lemmy.ml
              11·
              3 years ago

              Claiming something without been involved, checking so-called made up facts and abusing it on a high traffic website is a smear campaign, as per definition.

              The problem is that from what I know those facts are not made up, I’m not abusing this and Lemmy is not really high traffic website. If my goal would be to spread this information about you, then I would definitely use any other website but I’m only using those facts as part of our conversation so that’s completely different situation.

              It makes it so or so not better because it is still off-topic. It is also not your argument at all, it is something you found on the internet or someone send you and an attempt to discredet me, nothing more.

              If it’s offtopic then just end this part of our discussion at this point. In future, if you don’t want people to remind you of your past then simply change your username or just don’t do anything bad.

              • CHEF-KOCH@lemmy.ml
                12·
                3 years ago
                • The problem is that I provided evidence that the so-called facts are made up. You refuse. I said GitHub website, not Lemmy for the high-traffic abuse argument, which is true. Besides the GitHub staff closed the thread and the members got warned, even this fact is presented by my link which you still ignore to accept. Please read the GitHub ToS regarding abusing issue tickets to harass someone, it is harassment because they never contacted me in the first place, my email and my Twitter etc. is all known and welcome for constructive criticism.
                • The problem is that you answer here in order to attempt to discreet me, please provide evidence that not one of the arkenfox members are behind this account. Those people showed multiple times that they chase me - as a person - across multiple platforms because they are obsessed with me and that I might do a better job.
                • It is off-topic the moment you try to discredit me with an internet link which has nothing to do with facts, Signal or that Signal now closes parts of their code and servers.
                • I never did anything bad, I stand to my failures, and I always did. Everyone makes mistakes and professionalism is to stand to them and apologize, whenever I did mistake I did mention it and I did apologize.

                You accuse someone which you never tried to contact before, come with a link which had to be closed b an GitHub staff due to misinformation and call this fact. According to you, earth must be flat because it is also written somewhere on the internet.

                I urge you to stop spreading misinformation regarding my person because you want to discredit me to make your stuff look better. You failed here miserably. Please stay on the topic, Lemmy is FOSS community. Signal is not anymore FOSS which was the reason it got attention in the first place.

                We have sufficient alternatives, they are mentioned here by fine people of Lemmy.

                • PandaCoderPL@lemmy.ml
                  21·
                  3 years ago

                  The problem is that I provided evidence that the so-called facts are made up.

                  No, you didn’t.

                  Besides the GitHub staff closed the thread and the members got warned, even this fact is presented by my link which you still ignore to accept.

                  The issue is still open and last comment was written two weeks ago so either you live in some different reality or your so-called evidence is made up.

                  The only member who got warned and then permanently banned in that situation was you. Your GitHub account is still banned since 2018. Now try to convince me and others that this happened because GitHub stuff was wrong and they don’t know their own ToS.

                  Please read the GitHub ToS regarding abusing issue tickets to harass someone, it is harassment because they never contacted me in the first place, my email and my Twitter etc. is all known and welcome for constructive criticism.

                  Please quote the part of GitHub those which states that the users have to contact you in any way before exposing you and showing evidence against you.

                  The problem is that you answer here in order to attempt to discreet me, please provide evidence that not one of the arkenfox members are behind this account. Those people showed multiple times that they chase me - as a person - across multiple platforms because they are obsessed with me and that I might do a better job.

                  Can you show me any proof that anyone related to arkenfox is chasing you over multiple platforms and that I’m doing the same?

                  It is off-topic the moment you try to discredit me with an internet link which has nothing to do with facts, Signal or that Signal now closes parts of their code and servers.

                  You were the one spreading misinformation, not facts, so I reminded people about who you are so they can better understand why are you behaving that way and that they shouldn’t worry about you attacking them if they disagree with you.

                  I stand to my failures

                  By writing really long post, spreading misinformations and users who exposed you and claiming that amount of knowledge is measured by number of your repositories.

                  I never did anything bad

                  You should better educate yourself if you think that plagiarizing other’s work is nothing bad.

                  Everyone makes mistakes and professionalism is to stand to them and apologize

                  And that’s what you should do few years ago instead of writing long and meaningless post.

                  You accuse someone which you never tried to contact before

                  You have no way to know that.

                  come with a link which had to be closed b an GitHub staff due to misinformation and call this fact.

                  The GitHub issue is still open and even active. The only user who got punished in this situation was you.

                  According to you, earth must be flat because it is also written somewhere on the internet.

                  No, because it was proven that earth is not flat. You still didn’t prove that you didn’t plagiarize other’s work.

                  I urge you to stop spreading misinformation regarding my person because you want to discredit me to make your stuff look better. You failed here miserably.

                  You are the one trying to accuse me of harassment only because I gave you the link to facts about yourself.

                  Please stay on the topic, Lemmy is FOSS community. Signal is not anymore FOSS which was the reason it got attention in the first place.

                  It doesn’t matter. If you are using Lemmy, it doesn’t mean you can’t use messenger that was FOSS for most of the times.

                  We have sufficient alternatives, they are mentioned here by fine people of Lemmy. This is why Signal is for FOSS enthusiasts dead, and this statement is not wrong.

                  You are wrong again. Signal is dead but only for you, just one tiny person that is trying to prove that he did nothing bad.

    • CHEF-KOCH@lemmy.ml
      21·
      3 years ago

      I already made my point.

      • Signal is dead - at least for the Lemmy community, among other communities like degoogle. There is nothing to argue about it, closed source … end of story. There is nothing to fight or to discuss over it.
      • You can use XMPP with encryption already, and hold on to it. Nothing wrong with it, I also expressed that already, or you move on and use alternative stuff.
      • We had such discussions here on Lemmy now, the first comment or what already showed a link to the same discussion.

      I can take criticism, it was just to make my point how useless the discussion here has become.

      I request again here in public to lock the topic because the bias on this is very strong and people do not let it go even if you prove them wrong.

    • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
      01·
      3 years ago

      Not everyone is wanting 100% anonymity when using Signal.

      Strongly disagree. As someone who has lots of friends and comrades using Signal on a daily basis, the fact that you have to tie it to a phone is (rightfully) perceived by anarchists as a threat against us.

      • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        12·
        3 years ago

        If you are using Signal for anonymity, then you need to learn how to pick the correct tools for the correct job. You go to XMPP or Matrix or Retroshare or some chat over I2P for that, not Signal.

        The only thing you can achieve properly, for the most part, is pseudonymity, and not anonymity over Signal, because your SIM is being tracked, unless you have a working VoIP provider that cannot be traced back to you.