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Good luck with that.
Was about to say similar. Telegram is virtually unblockable.
It’s blocked here in China. If the Spanish really want, they’ll find a way.
You really can’t compare any other country to the Great Firewall of China.
Hasn’t the Great Firewall been in place for as long as China had internet, or was there a period where they had full access to the Internet? Yea if it has that’s what 20/30 years of development lmao
It’s blocked for people who don’t use a VPN
Its blocked for all. People who use vpn can circumvent it.
If you can circumvent it, it’s not blocked.
Given this seems to bizarrely be a copyright thing, it’s going to fail at its intended goal immediately—pirates typically don’t mind jumping through a hoop to get stuff for free.
So if you can drive faster than the speedlimit, there’s no speedlimit. …
Its blocked no matter if some can circumvent it or not. You are discussing the effectiveness of the block that you argue is not there
If someone intends to block traffic on a road using a road block, and puts the block mostly on the pavement next to the road, the block is there but it’s not blocking any cars.
An ineffective block does not block what it’s supposed to, it’s still a block, it’s just not blocking anything.
We might be getting into philosophy here though
If you can reach any sites like this, you could reach telegram if you wanted to badly enough.
Sites like what? Lemmy isn’t blocked.
And sure, I can use a VPN, but that’s also illegal. So I can definitely break one law to break another, no problem.
Telegram doesn’t use vpns to bypass access restrictions. There have been multiple attempts to block/ban telegram and they inevitably fail because of the way the internet is designed. And as I said. If you have access to the greater internet you can probably access telegram but I am guessing you don’t use it and didn’t use it before the ban so you have no need to try to access it now.
Telegram uses proxies and has a setting in the app to attempt to work around blockages.
No, what I’m saying is that I can use a VPN to access telegram. Their proxy service doesn’t work in China, I have been using it since the initial public beta release some 10 years ago and keep using it ever since. Neither the official client nor Telegram X for that matter. Signal’s “bypass blockage” function hardly works either, by the way. It’s VPN or bust here.
I’m Spanish. And really, that judge is just in the pocket of the spanish media corporations. Telegram is used by 8 million spanish users daily for lots of different things.
Recently the UE forced WhatsApp to open a protocol so it can be compatible precisely with Telegram to avoid a monopoly.
If telegram elevates to the european court due to abuse of the spanish authorities they should win.
oh sure. ban the ONLY modern chat client not running on electron.
get fucked, spain!
Telegram is a security disaster.
agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.
personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.
You can collaborate on WhatsApp or Signal as well, both messengers are using the end-to-end encrypted Signal protocol. Even in group chats. Telegram is not E2EE per default.
Of course, with WhatsApp Meta collects all your metadata so they have a very detailed network of basically all the people in this world… At least without all their messages.
both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).
Caring about the technology of an app more than about its privacy is really strange to me, but you do you.
electron slows everything on your computer down (by design). for each individual electron app you’re running concurrently, you’re burning another huge volume of resources and sacrificing performance that normally would have been shared. even well-optimized electron apps can’t do anything to avoid this due to the inherent design of electron. because each runtime of electron has to load all its junk separately from one another. it’s a burden on your hardware that developers just don’t give a shit about because electron makes it easy to push out apps with minimal coding effort and let you ignore native platform support. if they did give a shit they wouldn’t use electron. electron basically makes a flagship computer behave like a 90ies computer due to lazy convenience of the coder. i’d propose that any developer who opts to us electron can’t be trusted because they obviously don’t care (or know) enough to develop real software. almost every electron app is basically a patchwork put together from various github sources and frameworks.
regardless. even if i wanted to use one of the privacy focused applications despite electron, i would have a total of 0 users to chat with, making the chat app useless. people want their modern features and are beyond willing to pay with their privacy. so not only does telegram offer a non-electron native client on all platforms. they also offer all modern features and design elements users have come to expect.
and as said. if i had to pick one chat application i’d prefer over anything else. i’d go with delta chat. since i wouldn’t need to convince anyone to install it and still be able to chat with them. but it’s unlikely the delta chat developer will rewrite it. heck, most of the actual interface is just another lazy copypaste. so, i do me.
In what way?
Messages are only end-to-end encrypted if you use the Secure Messaging option. Otherwise everything passes the server in cleartext.
That means that anyone with access to those servers can read your messages.
closed source.
plain text unless activated.
Signal, Whatsapp and many Matrix Clients including the new Element X are not Electron based afaik
Signal desktop client is actually Electron based. And AFAIK, Electron doesn’t run on Android, only on the desktop.
Electron does run on Android, see Element Android or Discord for example. I thought we were talking about mobile.
Are you sure about that? That would be surprising for me, as I had never before heard about Electron running on mobile.
A quick dive in Element Android’s dependencies didn’t reveal any mentions of Electron, but perhaps it’s referenced in some other way.
mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.
all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.
i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).
There are many Matrix Clients that don’t run on Electron on Desktop.
Afaik Telegram desktop does use Electron so I assumed we were talking about mobile.
EDIT: Telegram desktop does in fact not use Electron.
there is only really nheko in development among the non-electron alternatives and it’s unstable. can’t convince people to use software that only works half the time.
> “can’t convince people to use software that only works half the time.”
Why not? M$OFT managed to do so for years …
Think of the corporations and all their lost profits! Next, the internet! That place is rife with copyright infringement.
