• OftenWrong@startrek.website
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    To answer your question just about as angry as any other major social media is about it these days? Right now the sentiment on TikTok is very strongly anti Isreal and outrage over the current genocide. I don’t know why you just assume they’re all over there praising China or whatever. China doesn’t come up there any more than here or other social media. China has their own version of the app where I assume their own censorship is applied.

    Unless you want to pretend that lemmy or other social media is actively discussing the Uyghurs right now I don’t think this is a very valid point. You’re just using their suffering to feel superior when you probably haven’t even thought about them in who knows how long before now. You can search for them in TikTok and there are plenty of videos criticizing China about it.

    It’s not hard to be informed and it’s incredibly hypocritical of you when you couldn’t even be bothered to fact check your own assumptions.

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      Yeah all social media sucks. They’re all run by psychopaths. But a psychopath will do what’s in their own best interests and therefore don’t want to see the country they live in country brought down. You don’t shit where you eat.

      So which country do the psychos making the TikTok algorithms live in?

      They have no incentive to ensure their algorithms don’t cause political destabilization in the US or other western countries. In fact there may be incentives going the other way.

      Unless you want to pretend that lemmy or other social media is actively discussing the Uyghurs right now I don’t think this is a very valid point.

      Top search result for “Uyghurs” on lemmy: https://lemmy.ca/post/5945175

      Top Search result for “Uyghurs” on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@alicerehemutula/video/7197149227728768298?q=uyghurs&t=1710720741130

      If you understand anything about the internet you know there’s too much information for a person to see everything. Which means that you don’t have to explicitly remove content (though the Chinese government does a lot of that too) you just need to tweak the algorithm to so that no one sees it. Generally someone in the west searching for Uyghurs is likely to want to find out about how the Chinese government is mistreating them. Yet TikTok’s algorithm conveniently de-prioritizes that kind of content.

      It’s not hard to be informed and it’s incredibly hypocritical of you when you couldn’t even be bothered to fact check your own assumptions.

      We’re starting to see a lot of young people have a similar level of distrust in news media to the MAGA crowd. Again it’s not purely about having access to information on the internet, it’s whether people will actually look at that information. If you’ve been conditioned to think that everyone is wrong if they disagree with the people you’ve formed unhealthy parasocial relationships with, then it’s a serious problem. Especially since TikTok targets a very young demographic who are susceptible to these parasocial relationships.

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        The fact that you would compare the “young people” fed up with the ridiculous state of our news media to maga just shows me that you’re out of touch. You can’t just google this stuff or do a quick search on tiktok and magically know what you’re talking about. It’s so egotistical that you wrote all of that and you have clearly not spent a single solitary second experiencing most of the things your opinions are based on.

        I’m not “young people” and I think you’d have to be willfully ignorant to not see where they’re coming from in regards to the sorry state of our news media.

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          Lately if someone says they think the media is controlled by the Jews, I can’t be sure if I’m talking to a MAGA type or a kid that’s spent too much time on TikTok. Only real distinction is the TikTok crowd will tend to use the word “Zionist” while the MAGAs will use the word “Globalist” but it’s ultimately the same antisemitic narrative.

          My discussions with TikTokers and MAGAs have the exact same form. Basically it’s like trying to deprogram someone that’s been indoctrinated into a cult. The narrative that makes them feel righteous anger is more important than reality. Someone that’s addicted to righteous anger will reject any information that doesn’t conform to the narrative that keeps them angry.

          Yeah it might hurt to hear that you’re just a susceptible to the same kinds of narratives the MAGAs fall prey to. You’re human just as they are, and emotional manipulation on social media is commonplace. You may be angry about different things than the MAGAs are angry about, but it’s the exact same pattern.

          Everyone that’s addicted to righteous anger will say the same thing: “I’m differnet from the other angry people because what I’m angry about is true, I don’t care what the mainstream media is saying!” The behavior of people getting their news from TikTok isn’t really different from the behaviour of boomers that spread around racist memes on facebook. Only the target of their anger is different.

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            Zionist and Jewish are not the same thing, they’re not even euphemism like (((globalist))). There are Jewish people protesting against Zionism, and Christian people fighting hard for it. It’s not the same thing and no leftist thinks it is. Every now and then some Nazi tries to conflate them, and leftists do need to see it and shut it down, but that’s a different issue.

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              Yeah and in the past Cosmopolitan Jew didn’t mean all Jews. That is until the mask was dropped.

              Zionist Jew is the same sort of thing. Many people won’t go along with full on antisemitism so antisemites will trick people by saying it’s not all Jews they’re against.

              The mask is starting to drop on this movement too. We’re seeing Jewish communities, Jewish Hospitals, and Synagogues being targeted be the “Free Palestine” movement now. Not something you’ll hear about on TikTok.

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                No, it’s not. I get the feeling you’re not very active in communities that are against the genocide if you actually think that.