• intensely_human@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    But like a weird mix of capitalism and communism where on the one hand everything is shared and centrally controlled and on the other hand nobody’s starving.

    I guess they really did go where no one had gone before.

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        Can you source that 20 million per year starvation under capitalism thing?

        This is the same CIA that was putting people in boxes full of bugs to get information out of them?

        No some report on adequate calories in the 80s and 90s doesn’t convince me that people don’t starve under communism. If the CIA itself were sitting down with me to discuss this, I’d want to see more than these two documents.

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          I misspoke, it’s not 20million it’s 9million for specifically hunger. The 20million figure I used here comes from adding in clean water and curable disease. It’s still an extremely basic and charitable figure for the extremely preventable deaths that occur under capitalism.

          If the CIA’s own declassified internal documents refuting the cold war propaganda that you are spouting isn’t enough for you then nothing ever will be. You’re repeating the cold war propaganda line, I’m showing you that the CIA’s own documents at the time refute it, because obviously internally you can’t lie to yourselves about the matter even if you are doing propaganda publicly about it. You don’t want to acknowledge or absorb it because it would mean having to self-crit and readjust an ideological position you’re committed to.

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            Impressive, they just horse-shoed their own confirmation bias. It’s like shooting a rubber band back at your face. Most impressive.

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              This is not uncommon unfortunately. It’s actually gotten significantly worse in the last 5 years or so, like 15 years ago it was just taken as fact by literally everybody that pretty much everything in the cold war was bullshit. But with the rising anti-russia sentiment and obviously the war it’s like literally everything from that period is now just taken as fact. It’s wild. Even the extremely easy to disprove stuff like this.

              EDIT: I feel like this user is a bot given how it’s gone and responded so many times below and then mixed up the conversations elsewhere.

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                Okay, hang with me here, I’m gonna try it. Everyone thinks corporations run America. But that’s a cut-out, the military industrial complex only allows corporations to operate. The military is basically a planned economy/ socialism. Therefore, America is actually Socialist!

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                Not to get all conspiratorial, but do you think they start wars to shape narrative? Like, Remember the Cold War? That was great!

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                  I think the nationalist brainworms of americans do most of the heavy lifting, combined with the fact liberals are completely without principles. It’s not dissimilar to how they’ll happily use homophobia to attack Republicans or whoever the current international villain is simply because “they’re bad so it’s ok”. This same lack of principles applies to history too, which they will rewrite to suit their nationalist goals at any time with no principles or scruples. The core issue is nationalism. Anyone you can deprogram and change into an internationalist stops all of this.