Along with the massive recent manufacturing investments in electric vehicle (EV) technology and talks of a greener, decarbonized future, there are some not-so-green problems.

In its latest New Energy Finance report, Bloomberg News predicts there will be some 730 million EVs on the road by 2040. The year before, Bloomberg predicted half of all U.S. vehicle sales would be battery electric by 2030.

In Canada, too, there’s talk of a big economic boost with the transition to EVs — including 250,000 jobs and $48 billion a year added to the nation’s economy through the creation of a domestic supply chain.

Governments have already invested tens of billions into two EV battery manufacturing plants in southwestern Ontario. However, they come with the environmental dilemma of what to do with the millions of EV batteries when they reach the end of their life.

“The rules are non-existent,” said Mark Winfield, a professor at York University in Toronto and co-chair of the school’s Sustainable Energy Initiative. "There is nothing as we talk to agencies on both sides of the border, the federal, provincial, state levels.

“In the case of Ontario, the answer was actually that we have no intention of doing anything about this.”

  • girlfreddyOP
    510·
    11 months ago

    On emissions, yes.

    On recyclability, no.

    • reddig33@lemmy.world
      71·
      11 months ago

      Ev batteries are recyclable. Not sure why you keep saying they aren’t. Oil and gas certainly aren’t recyclable.

      • girlfreddyOP
        17·
        11 months ago

        The Used Oil Management Association of Canada (UOMA) and National Used Oil Material and Antifreeze Advisory Council (NUOMAAC) work together to coordinate the recycling of used oil and antifreeze materials, as well as oil filters and related containers, across the country. Nine industry-led provincial stewardship programs work in close collaboration to achieve environmental, economic and socio-economic successes on behalf of our members and all Canadians. Source

          • girlfreddyOP
            17·
            11 months ago

            Show me where I said anything about gas.

            I’ll wait.

            • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
              51·
              11 months ago

              Right here…

              On emissions, yes.

              On recyclability, no.<

              In context with the previous comment, it implies that you believe an ICE car is more recycleable than an EV.

          • El Barto@lemmy.world
            21·
            11 months ago

            It’s an okay point. Yes, the oil you must change every so often can be recycled. But I’m sure we’re talking about the other oil, that is, gasoline, which is absolutely not recyclable. The other poster is probably an oil and coal shill.

      • girlfreddyOP
        17·
        11 months ago

        We can recycle oil (and have since the 70’s). We also recycle vehicles with full frames (unibodies are more difficult) and engines.

        EVs are not recyclable (yet, anyway) and are written off with far less damage (essentially unrepairable at low-speed impact accidents).

        • Sonori@beehaw.org
          51·
          11 months ago

          Key word was cheaply, current costs if synthetic fuels are two to four times the current market rate at best, not available to the public, and heavily limited in their inability to scale within the necessary timeframe.

          Any vehicle’s metal components can be scraped and recycled, and if your talking about component reuse EVs have far, far fewer consumable parts as compared to ICEs. While you can rebuild an engine with all new consumables, we’ve also been rewiring motors for just as long, and indeed the motor has far fewer wear items that require a rebuild in the first place. Indeed given the thriving conversation space and its demand for EV parts, they are often more recycled than all but classic models of ICE. EV batteries have proven trivial to recycle, and the frame and such are practically identical to ICE versions.

          The majority of plastics are single use and a landfilled, and are just as prevalent in ICE’s as EVs.

          The higher rate of write offs for minor incidents is consistent across many new vehicles, and is more a case of insurers lacking a large dataset from which to draw stats from than any inherent technological factor.

        • howrar
          21·
          11 months ago

          Doesn’t recycling oil require that you still have the oil in oil form?

          • girlfreddyOP
            24·
            11 months ago

            Oil is oil. It’s either dirty or clean. Recycling it removes the dirt, and while that in no way makes it functional as a lubricant for newer engines it can be used for other manufacturing processes or be used in different products, ie: asphalt.

          • girlfreddyOP
            14·
            11 months ago

            EV = electric vehicles. I am referencing the whole vehicle, not just the battery.

              • girlfreddyOP
                12·
                11 months ago

                Because right now recycling of plastics in end-of-life vehicles (ELVs) is low because of mixed composites and few markets …

                About 1.6 million vehicles are retired annually in Canada, and each of these ELVs contain about 175 kg of various plastic resins. Recycling rates for the plastics in ELVs tend to be low since there are very few end markets for these materials. Plastics from ELVs are often contaminated with other plastics and metal components, and there are not currently technologies capable of recycling all of the different plastic and multi-resin parts found in vehicles. Source

                EV plastic and body recycling will be even less because of the need for composite construction in unibody design to keep the weight down, to compensate for the battery weight. Right now EVs are 1000+ lbs heavier than traditional ICE vehicles.

      • girlfreddyOP
        27·
        11 months ago

        EVs are the vehicles themselves, not the batteries.