A Sky News visual investigation shows a building in Deir al Balah was hit one day after civilians were told they could flee to the city. Israel says it struck military targets in the area that day. The UN told Sky News that such strikes had "no rationale".
      • machinin@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        So, basically your view is that

        *Israel is doing a decent job because they aren’t killing that many children relative to the overall population. Also, UN laws don’t really apply to this situation.

        *The main reason for the unrest is Iran paying money. The Palestinians don’t really have any solid basis for their grievances.

        *Israel’s only failing is that they aren’t successful enough militarily in stopping the funding and tunnels. Otherwise Israel is not doing anything else wrong.

        Does that sum up your view correctly?

        • BlameThePeacockEnglish
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          11 months ago

          The UN doesn’t have laws. That’s not how it works.

          The main reason for the unrest is Israel, the main reason for the violence is Iran’s funding and supply of smuggled weapons. Gaza has no ability to produce or buy these things themselves,.

          The best opportunity to resolve this situation is for Palestinians to de-arm. There’s no way that Israel and the western powers are going to accept any other outcome. Palestinians can have their own state, but it’s not going to be allowed to attack Israel.

          Unfortunately that’s not likely to happen, Hamas doesn’t care about the best outcome for Palestinians. That’s never been their goal.

          This is just the realistic state of things.

          • machinin@lemmy.world
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            11 months ago

            So there is absolutely nothing Israel can do to change the situation. It is only the Palestinians’ responsibility to solve all the problems.

            Gotcha.

            • BlameThePeacockEnglish
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              11 months ago

              What do you suggest they do?

              Can you come up with a single suggestion in which Hamas and Hezbollah both stop attacking Israeli citizens?

              • machinin@lemmy.world
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                11 months ago

                You are starting from two deeply flawed assumptions:

                The solution isn’t “stop attacking Israeli citizens.” There is about 70 years of resentment from the Palestinians because of their treatment from the Israelis. Unless you treat this as a whole, you aren’t going to make any progress. Maybe you just don’t care at all for Palestinian life. If so, then you are a part of the problem.

                Also, if you think there is one magical action that can solve all these problems, you are setting yourself up for failure. You can’t magically undo 70 years of resentment with one single action (unless all Israelis decide to leave, that may be the one magical solution).

                My proposal would include steps to break down the apartheid state and give Palestinians full self determination. A prosperous and independent Palestine is the best path to peace for all involved.

                • Commit to a solid path to a two-state solution,
                • provide a huge aide package for the Palestinians for rebuilding, depending on disarmament,
                • setting up a UN peace keeping force to help Palestinians root out terrorists, set of a defense pact with other countries to provide protection from Israeli aggressions after disarmament
                • set up war crime tribunals for Hamas and IDF perpetrators,
                • remove any ability by the IDF for detentions of Palestinians and incursions into Palestinian land
                • Provide UN support for Palestine to rebuild their civil institutions.
                • Both sides would need confidence in a legal framework and process to fairly deal with transgressions and the patience as those processes and frameworks are set up and empowered.

                I realize that Israeli leaders would hate to see a prosperous and independent Palestinian state, even if it was the best way to achieve peace. It is obvious they prefer the current violence if it means that in the future they could eliminate all the Palestinians from the land.

                • BlameThePeacockEnglish
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                  11 months ago

                  There’s about 2000 years of resentment from the Israelis in this situation. You’re not going back far enough in history.

                  And why do you think that Hamas would agree to any of what you’ve proposed? They don’t have any interest in “rooting out terrorists” they ARE the terrorists. Their leadership would all end up in War Crime Tribunals. There’s no incentive for Hamas in your proposal, and they control Gaza.

                  So you’re saying Israel doesn’t want that, and it’s clear that Hamas doesn’t want that either, so how exactly is it a realistic proposal?

                  I’m pretty sure Israel would be happy if the Palestinians (and Islamic militants from other areas) stopped attacking them all the time. They’ve never known peace. They got fucking invaded by 5 different countries at the same time the day after they declared independence in 1948.

                  • machinin@lemmy.world
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                    11 months ago

                    I don’t think Hamas or Likud would agree, they would both be tried. It would have to be negotiated without them. I know it isn’t realistic, but you asked what it works require for the attacks to stop happening. In the end, though, Israel is responsible for the apartheid system, so unless steps are taken to dismantle that system, there will never be peace. It will need to be Israel’s choice to start and maintain the process.