• Troy
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    11 months ago

    Well, we could walk back from our civilizations total fear of asbestos and go back to asbestos-cement roofs. They’re probably more environmentally friendly than the tar shingles, and are completely fire resistant.

    You know – modern safety standards for workers who are making the products, or cutting/drilling/etc. But that would require logic.

    There’s a bunch of big fibreglass-based manufacturers in Winnipeg and they equip their people with the safety products they need to avoid breathing dangerous glass fibre dust.

    I digress.

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      Asbestos is a pain in the ass beyond belief to deal with safely. The safety mitigations to deal with it are not exaggerated, and the harms it can cause are very real.

      Everything old is new again. Let’s toss some lead in our gasoline while we’re at it.

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        11 months ago

        And yet its present as a mineral in many of the mines in Canada (eg: the Thompson nickel mine, most diamond mines, etc.) and no one is dying of asbestosis. So either it’s overblown (everyone adds their safety margin to the numbers up and down the line until the threat of a single molecule…), or the safety mitigations in place in those mines is working.

        Like seriously, some of the rock in those mines is 50% asbestos.

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          It’s certainly not overblown, feel free to look up the asbestos required to cause chronic health effects. It’s not some mystery, the numbers are out there, no wild speculation needed.

          This is such a hilarious yet literally deadly problem, it’s like anti vaxxers who see “nobody has died of smallpox in years!” And forego smallpox vaccinations for their children.

          Except this time instead of various life threatening pathogens, it’s friable mechanically toxic cancer darts.

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            11 months ago

            You’re clearly not a geologist. Asbestos refers to a whole group of minerals that have fibrous habits. There are many perfectly safe forms of asbestos that have repeated, common, and constant modern occupational exposure without issues. Serpentinite being the most common found on minesites.

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              That’s a deflection. They are all known carcinogens lol, and doesn’t meaningfully change the point.

              And no im not a geologist, but I’ve done hazard analysis on work with asbestos. I’m curious what you think a geologist has to actually say about the medical hazard of asbestos.

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                I’m curious what you think a geologist has to actually say about the medical hazard of asbestos

                Wait! I’m asking my doctor about this leaky pipe under my sink.

                But I love the absurdity you pointed out.