• flip@lemmy.nbsp.one
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    Yeah, right. It is social media and games responsible, not people fed up with the situation.

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    Ah, yes, France, the country famous for never having riots before the invention of social media and video games.

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    Unfortunately, reclaimthenet.org has become more and more click-baity in their headlines…

    This is what he said (from the reclaimthenet.org article):

    “We’ve seen them; Snapchat, TikTok and several others, serve as places where violent gatherings have been organized, but there’s also a form of mimicry of the violence which for some young people leads them to lose touch with reality.

    “You get the impression that for some of them they are experiencing on the street the video games that have intoxicated them,” he added.

    (This is the source in French: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpqbo7p38Y )

    The ministers have been complaining about a “gamification” of the riots, where protesters push each other to destroy more stuff through social media. And that’s what he was condemning.

    I’m not aware of him having requested deletions of riot content. That would, indeed, by worrying for a western democracy… But France civil liberties have been on the downward-trend since the 2015 Paris attacks. So I could see this happening. But data to social media companies have been requested, which is IMHO not alarming, but always makes me uneasy…

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      This is nonsense.

      You cut out the sections above and below where this source quoted Macron calling for the suppression of speech on social media, but I’ll pull it from AP regardless.

      Macron, who in tandem castigated video games for the rioting, said the French government would work with social media sites to take down “the most sensitive content” and identify users who “call for disorder or exacerbate the violence.”

      During his speech on Friday, Macron did not specify what type of content he viewed as “sensitive,” but he said he expected “a spirit of responsibility” from the social media platforms.

      Talks between the government and social media platform, including Snapchat and Twitter, have started with the aim to speed up the process to remove content inciting to violence, the official said. The French government is also pushing for identifying people who launch calls for violence but it’s still at the “discussion” stage.

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    How can you be young and still have the mind of a 90yo grandpa? At least they are not blaming roleplay and metal anymore…

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    It is well established that Russia, China, and Iran are very active in influencing social media with disinformation.

    And it is in their interests (especially Russia) to destabilize NATO countries. Sure they can’t invent a reason to riot whole cloth. But if a reason exists already they can nudge people towards violence.

    the mistake people make when thinking about foreign influence is they assume “their side” isn’t susceptible to it. Russia is only promoting fascist politicians, that sort of thing.

    The reality is the goal is to promote anything that results in instability in NATO countries. The cause isn’t the major factor. Whether the cause is justified or not, also isn’t a factor. The goal is to always be pushing people towards violence no matter what reason there may be for it.

    So people are dismissing this out of hand as a defensive reaction. Like this is 20 years ago and it’s some out of touch politician that “just doesn’t understand the internet.” But this isn’t 20 years ago, everyone is on the internet now. It’s not some unfamiliar technology anymore.

    The reality is those not even considering the effects of foreign adversaries using the internet to destabilize NATO countries are the ones that are the old people that are out of touch with the internet of today.

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      Even American forces are seeking to destabilize the politics of NATO countries, most notably Canada. We’ve been getting bombarded by far-right propaganda from the US recently and it’s been harming our democracy.

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        To extent, yes. But it’s more of a profit motive there. They promoted the convoy bullshit to generate ratings to make money. US media coverage of foreign protests is always about pushing a narrative that’s relevant to Americans, otherwise they won’t be interested. And something like 90% of the newspapers in Canada are owned by the Postmedia group, a US owned company. So it’s almost more of like the US dominating Canadian media, rather than merely influencing it.

        Though we should also recognize that there is bleed over from efforts to destabilize the US, which for obvious reasons is the focus of these efforts. Cultural similarities and US dominance of Canadian media means that destabilization of the US will result in some level of destabilization of Canada.

        But given the strong correlation between anti-vax movements and support for Putin in Canada (along with evidence that glavset has been actively targeting anti-vaxxers) it’s clear that it’s not all just Canada being destabilized simply from links to the US. The Chinese influence is well publicized, Russian influence has been proven. Iranian influence is becoming more apparent as well.

        So yeah, don’t trust anything you read on the internet. A lot of countries running a lot of disinformation campaigns.

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    Shoutout to the french who are actually willing to protest when their government doesn’t address relevant matters.