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    2276 months ago

    Wanna get even angrier? Since the cease fire was agreed, Israel released 150 Palestinian people. In that time, they have also made 133 new arrests of Palestinians for the crime of…celebrating the release of Palestinians.

    If this were done by a movie villain, people would criticize it for being too cartoonishly evil and unrealistic.

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      Imma need a hardcore source for this. Not because I doubt it, but because I’d like to include it in an essay

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          336 months ago

          It’s the ‘arrested for celebrating’ part that we want a source for and I didn’t see any in this article about it. Just seems very odd Israel would admit such a thing, so if they did I want a solid source to share with others.

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            556 months ago

            You could literally use google and find lots of stories talking about it. Here is a snippet from just one.

            THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT narrative surrounding the Palestinian prisoners being released during this temporary ceasefire is both insidious and dishonest. Interior Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has banned Palestinians from celebrating their release. “My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis.” He told Israeli police to deploy an “iron fist” to enforce his edict. https://theintercept.com/2023/11/26/palestine-israel-prisoners/

            That is pretty fuckin clear.

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              426 months ago

              My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism"

              Wow. That is cartoonishly dystopian.

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                106 months ago

                Totally not channeling his inner Nazi… Yet there are still shitbags here twisting themselves in knots to defend everything Israel does.

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                146 months ago

                Ben Gvir is a special kind of evil, but unfortunately not so uncommon in the Israeli government.

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              -66 months ago

              “this source is untrustworthy”

              “WOAH CALM THE FUCK DOWN JESUS CHRIST WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU”

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                66 months ago

                No, they’re saying that’s a dumb response because it’s backed by multiple outlets. Sure one way be biased so… Do your own research. Or complain that it wasn’t handed to you tied up with a bow.

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                  That’s great but when they’re being calm and you’re being dramatic, maybe have a moment of self reflection before the pot tries to call the kettle black

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                86 months ago

                Hey look!
                It’s one of the shitbags I was mentioning in another comment!

                Just like clockwork to goosestep along with Ben Gvir.

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                  Lol, you’re on one for sure. I had to lookup that name. He seems likes a nut just like Netanyahu.

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        -76 months ago

        What makes any news showing Israel in a positive light propaganda and any news showing hamas in a positive light credible? Each side is saying the exact same thing about each other yet you chose to believe only one side as believable.

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          136 months ago

          What a simplistic interpretation of reporting during war times. Reductively representing all Palestinians as Hamas is willfully ignorant. The vast majority of people here are for the people under siege.

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          They give sources and show evidence. That makes them credible.

          Also Aljazeera shows first hand accounts of Palestinian hostages telling their stories of torture in Israeli prison while all the israeli side gives us is “a hostages aunt said this definitely happened” while prohibiting the israeli hostages to speak to the media.

          Just because israel lies about everything you can’t go “well then surely the other side does too”.

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          56 months ago

          Only one side can end this simply by going home. Hamas and Hezbollah have both publicly stated their only demand to end hostilities is that Israel stops it’s occupation.

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            So then why did they attack first? What occupation? Living in your own country isn’t occupation.

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              Sorry but no. The rest of the world agreed that conquering land and calling it your own went out of style in May of 1945. You don’t get to put your own pictures on the wall and pretend you didn’t steal the house.

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          they only influence the elections in Israel, mainly because that is where they are a political block

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            36 months ago

            I wouldn’t be sure of that. Nor would I have any truck with the old puppet-master/squid trope. A lot of countries will budget for influencing various political spheres beyond their borders. Israel shouldn’t get singled out for special criticism in that particular field. Not because what they have been caught doing isn’t reprehensible but because that field of manure is busy with as bad or worse actors such as Russia, China, or the cough USA cough.

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      196 months ago

      I didn’t but I guess thanks for keeping me informed. Also distracts me from my problems which are minor in comparison.

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    1586 months ago

    Watch carefully when you hear and see coverage about this. The people Israel had were “prisoners” while the people hamas had were “hostages.”

    This kind of subtle reframing of words happens all the time.

    CBS Nightly News had a story that talked about the 150% increase (don’t quote me on the actual percentage) in antisemitism acts, but anti Muslim sentiments were just “on the rise.”

    It’s a double standard depending on who they’re talking about.

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      The one that I saw was early on, after Hamas attacked, the news reported the number of deaths from “the Hamas invasion”. After that, when Israel retaliated and started killing Palestinians, the news was reporting “the total number killed since the beginning of the Hamas invasion”. They lumped all of the deaths from both sides together and framed it as if they were all attributed to Hamas, even though Israel had killed several times as many people by that point.

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          76 months ago

          Would Hamas have attacked Israel if Palestinians hadn’t been subjected to atrocities for decades?

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            76 months ago

            Hamas is not Palestinian resistance. Hamas stockpiles food, water, and medicine while the Palestinians starve, and they seize aid meant for them – the EU had a project to improve water infrastructure in Palestine. Hamas dismantled the whole thing after they left to use as weapons.

            If you need any more confirmation, note that Hamas leadership is a bunch of rich moguls living it up in the UAE.

            We can support Palestine while decrying Hamas and recognizing them as a second blight on the innocent people.

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      66 months ago

      Also note that holding hostages is an international war crime, while keeping prisoners is not. I’ve regularly noticed this language choice on NPR (a public radio station in the US).

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      56 months ago

      Well ya. The Palestinians being released have been convicted of stabbing people. The Israelis were ripped from their homes.

      This isn’t an even swap, this is hostages for prisoners. Framing as a hostage exchange is dishonest entirely.

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      Doesn’t being a prisoner imply they committed some sort of crime and that’s why they are being held whereas a hostage is someone who was living life minding their own business and are now being held. Another lemming pointed out that many of the Palestinian prisoner were being held without charge but not necessarily that they did nothing wrong - sounds like it could be abused but doesn’t automatically mean it is (probably at times though).

      As for the “double standard” from news reporting you’ve made big assumptions. News outlets use words to sensationalise and bend truths all the time but this works both ways. Without know the number for anti Muslim sentiment you can’t know. If anti Muslim sentiment had risen by 12% it wouldn’t be a big conspiracy to suggest that it was “on the rise” whereas a number like 150% is worth reporting especially in comparison to antimuslim if sentiment was only 12%.

      I’m not saying a double standard doesn’t exist I’m just saying you might have confirmation bias in these examples.

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        76 months ago

        It implies a justice system with double standards convicted them. Americans who lived through Jim Crow can tell you exactly what that means for the legitimacy of that system.

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          It sounds shit tbh. I suppose I’m likening it to the people in Guantanamo bay who were never charged but held there (I’m not comparing those people to Palestinians only the legal situation). As wrong as the whole thing was I do believe some of the people there were terrible people and wanted to or did cause real harm to innocent people. The same goes for the Palestinians being held, not all though and it’s very bad to think of the ones being treated unfairly. I’m pointing out some of those people are being treated fairly

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            26 months ago

            Considering two of the people who committed the recent murders in Jerusalem were released detainees, it really does prove that the detention is warranted at least in some cases.

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        36 months ago

        Many of the “prisoners” haven’t been charged with a crime, which disputes their prisoner status.

        Most of the “hostages” are foreign settlers in disputed territory, which at a minimum disputes their civilian status.

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      Ohh yeah. Media lives to throw details into the bin in order to drive a narrative. I think it would take a soldier familiar with the rules on prisoners of war digging for information to realize that Hamas really tried to abide by those rules for their “hostages”. It is however still a very decentralized organization and they can’t enforce such things as well as a professional military.