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New York lost more residents – and at the largest rate – in 2023 than any other state, despite an overall rise in the U.S. population, according to U.S. Census data.
The bureau released a map showing the percentage change in state populations between July 2022 and July 2023 – New York stands out as the only state colored a deep orange, a label for a percentage change of -0.5 or more.
Sounds about right. Crushing taxes and stiffling of liberties will do that.
I’m Canadian so I’m really asking this genuinely, but which liberties are being crushed in NY that aren’t in other states?
Back then in NY, I could get a hotdog, peanuts, and a kabob from three different food carts.
But now, some of these food carts are now clustered together instead of being a block or two apart!
Worse, some of these carts are offering Sriracha instead of Tabasco!
It’s easily the fall of mankind here in NY.
Sriracha is better than Tabasco though…
I don’t know OP, but I won’t be surprised at all if it’s something about guns.
I just moved to upstate from the Bible belt, like half the people I’ve talked to about guns have complained that you aren’t allowed to shoot an intruder until they directly assault your person, not just them being on your property or inside the house taking stuff. Legit upset they can’t value their possessions more than another human life.
The person I’m talking to said they don’t care how bad the crime is, just how much police do about it. So yeah, they don’t care about crime or safety, they just care about violence.
Guns, crime, and lower taxes. California, Oregon, Illinois, and NY are gun unfriendly, have barely enforced crime, and higher taxes. Texas and Florida are both gun friendly, actually enforce laws, and have lower taxes.
Californians leaving California because of the state of California and voting to make their new state more like California is peak Californian cognitive dissonance.
Please provide evidence that all of Florida and Texas have lower crime than all of Illinois, California, Oregon and New York.
And yeah, I’m not surprised guns was your main criterion, even before crime and taxes. Gotta have the precious.
Not crime rate, enforcement.
Guns were the reason you gave, so that came first.
So it doesn’t matter how much crime there is, it only matters how many people arrested there are? That’s your metric?
Enforcement metrics just show the rate that minorities get harassed by cops and aren’t proportional to crime itself. Crime statistics, unless comparing the same crime per-capita (ie, homicides per 100,000) tend to reflect the amount of regular activities criminalized rather than the number of harmful acts done by individuals (ie, make a drug that many people have a crime, and now you have more crime and more criminals).
I would say the stop and frisk scandal was pretty bad. I don’t live there though and a lot of people moving out probably are tired of the economic inequality more than anything else.
For clarity reasons I would like to start by saying most of my knowledge is based on New York City and not the state as a whole, though most of the people in the state live in the city so this is alright in my eyes. New York City currently is one of the most bloated budgets in terms of taxes in the country. With all if those people presumably paying taxes for the city they live in you would think they wouldn’t have to charge each person so much to live there. NYC has a rampant homeless issue, and an overbudgeted, militarized police force to deal with them and normal citizens. Even with such a big police force they can’t do shit about the crime in the city. Ghettos in the burbs have little police presence because they don’t want to deal with the actual crime in the city, they would rather take the easy route of bullying homeless people trying to sleep. Speaking of crime in the city, overregulation on firearms ensure only criminals have access to anything, plus they do not have a right to stand ground law, leaving New Yorkers with one option if they were to be robbed at gun point. New York politicians would rather earn brownie points with constituants than do anything useful, leading to nothing happening and normal people suffering, and then leaving.
Gun rights is the easiest example
You are legally allowed to own guns in NY state. When I lived in NY most people i knew owned at least one gun, though this was in a rural area.
Only because the federal supreme court forced them too
So you accept that people in NY have gun rights, and thus your initial explanation is invalid.
So, which is it? You have no gun rights in New York, or you’re forced to own a gun? You can’t even keep your story straight, lol. 
Do you mind sharing this supreme court decision? I was unaware guns were ever entirely illegal in NY.
Ahhh, I see you forgot about New Jersey……more taxes and less liberties than New York.
And New Jersey even increased its population.
Yeah, all people from the city.
Yeah, I’d be curious what percentage dipped from the city and moved to the burbs in Jersey. Might be the big dip, would make sense also with it being a Covid hotspot a few years ago, but nevermind all that.
Compared to NYC, New Jersey is overall cheaper to live in. For the people who really need to live in the big apple but want to move out of its tax reach New Jersey is the best and only option they have.
Give me your top 3 American places to live, where taxes are fair and liberties flow freely in all directions–I’m looking to move soon
New Hampshire and apparently Maine I’ve heard
Though it’s losing population on this map, West Virginia is nice if you’re okay with the rural towns and stuff. Montana is nice with the same drawbacks, and Tennessee has three major population areas with low income taxes, but high property taxes, but that’s alright since property out there is cheap snd big.
Virginia? Vermont also has a lot of freedom with guns and weed if that’s your thing but there aren’t many jobs.
Virginia?! The freedom part sounds nice but you’re still in Virginia, lol
Vermont? Too cold, plus no jobs like you said
Guess I’m gonna have to make some sacrifices in order to have it all. Freedom isn’t free, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What’s wrong with VA? Northern VA is one of the best places to live on the planet. High pay with low taxes, lower COL than NYC or SF but similar quality of life. Charlottesville is also really nice.
He just wanted to go, “welp guess there really is nowhere might as well live in the urban hell hole with high taxes and politicians that do nothing.”
No, I’d prefer to settle in a village where they’re still bitter about losing the civil war lol
Not sure one example is representative (sure not, but alas) - anyone watching Louis Rossman (MacBook repair expert) knows he left NY with disgust, and now runs his business in another state