This keeps getting interesting. Although the articles puts it between human contact and lab creation. But from what I’ve gathered scientists say that it likely comes from the decease was created through the transmition between a bat and pangolin or something. Seems unlikely to me that they’d do it like that in a lab, so the the meat black market hypothesis still stays strong in my mind.
But we’ll have to see what comes out of this I guess.
Noone’s talking about lab creation, but rather the fact the research institution in question specializes in virology. So they would go into the field(/bat caves in this case) to collect virus samples to bring back to the lab in Wuhan to study (as that’s literally their job).
Mistakes happen, and a researcher could have simply been infected by one of these collected samples before going onto infect other people.
In that case, I don’t see how that’s the striking condemnation of China that Western media makes the lab theory out to be. The virus is still of entirely natural origin, and it was spread inadvertently. Maybe in that case you could make the argument that the lab and/or the workers responsible should bear responsibility and that it was negligence as opposed to a freak accident, but usually when Westerners talk about the lab theory they think “China was researching COVID specifically to destroy the world REEEEE”
I don’t think China would intentionally spread COVID as a weapon, and not necessarily because they are so nice.
Simply,
COVID, for a very long time, spread in China mostly. Who wants to attack themselves?
COVID has a pretty low risk of death for a weapon
It’s risky as fuck. Imagine if people find out, and say the US goes to war about it (the US had started wars for much smaller things in the past). That war’s not gonna be pleasant to say the least.
The condemnation comes from what people assume the researchers did with the virus after it arrived in the lab. Somehow it had to make the jump to humans and human to human transmission, which is far from trivial.
Based on what western labs commonly did in the past (see where this goes?), they might have intentionally done some virus breeding to see what it would take for it to make this jump. From a research perspective this somewhat makes sense, but given the risk of a lab leak this is relatively unethical IMHO (and at least officially western labs stopped doing that).
But personally I find this entire discussion completely useless. Even if it turns out to be a lab leak, so what? Does that change anything about the current situation and further outlook?
I agree with that logically it’s not beneficial but the USA is openly practicing jingoism against the Chinese to the point that Asian Americans are being randomly attacked.
There’s a theory this leads to a demand for reparations which leads to an excuse for WW3, which some american war hawks are looking for.
Somehow it had to make the jump to humans and human to human transmission
Could the fact that it could naturally infect humans not be the reason they were studying it? I mean, we only have circumstantial evidence for a lab leak so it seems like jumping the gun to try and come up with theories on the details anyway.
Maybe for the first part, i.e. some animal viruses have the ability to infect humans, but usually lack sufficient capabilities to then go on to infect other humans from a human host.
Edit: I am not saying this was done in a lab. It can happen naturally as well, for example this happened with the swine-flu. But it usually requires prolonged and wide-spread close contact between humans and these animals, which is unlikely in the case of cave bats.
No, I think there are things to criticize about NATO, but not that it’s furthering white supremacy or that NATO and member countries are neo nazis and all that nonsense. I’m for example critical of NATO’s (And Russia/China’s) training demonstrations that are upping conflict or taking in eastern countries that don’t historically would be a part of NATO that also makes Russia more volatile
It’s objectively a club of exclusively majority white nations (+ Turkey) using their military to bomb non-white dominant nations for the past 60 years. Many of their countries have or
have had far right political parties (Poland, Greece, USA, etc.) in political power during its tenure. How are you not seeing this as a white supremacist organization? Do you actually take what they say at face value?
Because I’m a part of society and meet normal human beings, I follow normal news and I know the historical context. Even calling all these countries ‘white’ seems to have a very American sensibillity. Neo nazis in europe would not include most of these countries.
And a lot of you people (tankie scum) defend authoritarian countries anway. Why throw rocks from a glass house, you know?
Why do you continuously use the insult that you’re “normal” or follow “normal things” compared to everyone with opposing views to you who are apparently all weirdos or shut-ins?
So basically you’re insinuating that the Western liberal point of view is “normal” for “humans”? That we’re all insane for daring to having dissenting opinions? Hmm…
wtf
This keeps getting interesting. Although the articles puts it between human contact and lab creation. But from what I’ve gathered scientists say that it likely comes from the decease was created through the transmition between a bat and pangolin or something. Seems unlikely to me that they’d do it like that in a lab, so the the meat black market hypothesis still stays strong in my mind.
But we’ll have to see what comes out of this I guess.
Noone’s talking about lab creation, but rather the fact the research institution in question specializes in virology. So they would go into the field(/bat caves in this case) to collect virus samples to bring back to the lab in Wuhan to study (as that’s literally their job).
Mistakes happen, and a researcher could have simply been infected by one of these collected samples before going onto infect other people.
In that case, I don’t see how that’s the striking condemnation of China that Western media makes the lab theory out to be. The virus is still of entirely natural origin, and it was spread inadvertently. Maybe in that case you could make the argument that the lab and/or the workers responsible should bear responsibility and that it was negligence as opposed to a freak accident, but usually when Westerners talk about the lab theory they think “China was researching COVID specifically to destroy the world REEEEE”
I don’t think China would intentionally spread COVID as a weapon, and not necessarily because they are so nice.
Simply,
So, It just sounds like a stupid thing to do.
The condemnation comes from what people assume the researchers did with the virus after it arrived in the lab. Somehow it had to make the jump to humans and human to human transmission, which is far from trivial.
Based on what western labs commonly did in the past (see where this goes?), they might have intentionally done some virus breeding to see what it would take for it to make this jump. From a research perspective this somewhat makes sense, but given the risk of a lab leak this is relatively unethical IMHO (and at least officially western labs stopped doing that).
But personally I find this entire discussion completely useless. Even if it turns out to be a lab leak, so what? Does that change anything about the current situation and further outlook?
I agree with that logically it’s not beneficial but the USA is openly practicing jingoism against the Chinese to the point that Asian Americans are being randomly attacked. There’s a theory this leads to a demand for reparations which leads to an excuse for WW3, which some american war hawks are looking for.
Could the fact that it could naturally infect humans not be the reason they were studying it? I mean, we only have circumstantial evidence for a lab leak so it seems like jumping the gun to try and come up with theories on the details anyway.
Maybe for the first part, i.e. some animal viruses have the ability to infect humans, but usually lack sufficient capabilities to then go on to infect other humans from a human host.
Edit: I am not saying this was done in a lab. It can happen naturally as well, for example this happened with the swine-flu. But it usually requires prolonged and wide-spread close contact between humans and these animals, which is unlikely in the case of cave bats.
Well, I just read this article by Daily Mail, so we’ll have to see what the research says when it’s published.
You’d try to defend China anyway though
And you’d defend NATO any way you can too, what’s your point? Are you a war hawk?
No, I think there are things to criticize about NATO, but not that it’s furthering white supremacy or that NATO and member countries are neo nazis and all that nonsense. I’m for example critical of NATO’s (And Russia/China’s) training demonstrations that are upping conflict or taking in eastern countries that don’t historically would be a part of NATO that also makes Russia more volatile
It’s objectively a club of exclusively majority white nations (+ Turkey) using their military to bomb non-white dominant nations for the past 60 years. Many of their countries have or have had far right political parties (Poland, Greece, USA, etc.) in political power during its tenure. How are you not seeing this as a white supremacist organization? Do you actually take what they say at face value?
Because I’m a part of society and meet normal human beings, I follow normal news and I know the historical context. Even calling all these countries ‘white’ seems to have a very American sensibillity. Neo nazis in europe would not include most of these countries.
And a lot of you people (tankie scum) defend authoritarian countries anway. Why throw rocks from a glass house, you know?
Why do you continuously use the insult that you’re “normal” or follow “normal things” compared to everyone with opposing views to you who are apparently all weirdos or shut-ins?
So basically you’re insinuating that the Western liberal point of view is “normal” for “humans”? That we’re all insane for daring to having dissenting opinions? Hmm…
Ahhhhh nice! Got you! Hahahaha there it is!
Because I’ve heard all the arguments the West has against them, and they’re all either without sufficient evidence or blatantly false.
You’ve probably seen these debunk lists floating around this site, maybe even posted by me, in case you haven’t, bam and bam.
I could buy that