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cross-posted from: https://lemmit.online/post/5180343
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The original was posted on /r/ukrainianconflict by /u/Alien_P3rsp3ktiv on 2025-02-15 17:57:02+00:00.
Don’t group Americans, or anyone, collectively. You were very specific with “the American people” and didn’t bother to make any other distinction. As far as I know, it was one person that said that shit.
Even in Nazi Germany there were Germans who wanted no part of the Nazis.
If you still think “the American people” follow that shit, fuck you. If you want to be more specific, that is totally cool.
Trump is currently in the process of creating a fascist dictatorship in the US and the opposition is limp-dick at best. So yeah, until you guys do something about that, you’ll get lumped in with the Nazis.
As an American, this is a harsh truth. We have no right to claim innocence if we do nothing to stop it. Keep in mind though, this same argument can be applied to innocent Palestinians who knew about the Hamas Oct. 7th attacks and did nothing to stop them or report them.
If this was purely a political problem, sure. The average American could vote the problem away. You can easily say “we allowed this to happen”, but in reality, the people were mostly powerless to stop it from happening.
This thread is a perfect example of getting the commoners to blame each other for issues while the oligarchs and politicians do what they please. The second people start generalizing other people, the battle is already lost.
At the individual level, voting might help. What we need to do is stop buying iPhones and Teslas. We need to call out an crush misinformation campaigns when we see them, and not just ignore them. Most of all, we need to educate others, which is easier than it seems.
What exactly do you suggest as an action people can take? (I speculate, short of suggesting an armed revolution, you can only just add on to my suggestions above.)
So, no. I am not going to capitulate to that “we did nothing to stop this” bullshit. All you are doing is disregarding the people who actually care and do take action.
Ten million people stayed at home in the ist election that voted Democrat before. That is basically what handed trump the election. So yes, this could definitely have been prevented.
You are failing to take voter suppression issues and misinformation campaigns into account. While that is part of the problem, it absolutely isn’t all of it. I am not disagreeing with you, but there is more.
I was taking on a much larger scale and timeframe. Trump becoming president… again… is just a symptom of a much darker issue of how our system can be twisted by propaganda. (This is a global problem, and a flaw with humanity, IMHO.)
Also, popular vote doesn’t quite matter for the US presidency. (https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/about) Republicans have won several times without the popular vote and they are getting good at it. Each state is different and I haven’t dug deeper into the numbers for each state in this election yet.
There are several issues in-play. Yes, many more people should have voted, undoubtedly and without question from me. Why they didn’t vote is a serious issue and needs to be reviewed. I do know that the Republican base didn’t grow significantly and even the public MAGA fanaticism wasn’t nearly as bad as it was in 2016.
You do realize that is no different than a Nazi referencing “the Jews” as a whole, right?
By your logic, I would be totally justified in assuming that your entire country and culture is represented by your ignorance here.
I didn’t say “all Americans are Nazis”. I said all Americans are responsible for what the Nazis do in their name. Just like all Germans were and to an extent still are held responsible for Hitler.
You said no such thing and you do realize I can read exactly what you wrote? “It’s what the American people want” and “you’ll get lumped in with the Nazis” is about as direct as it gets. So yeah, you called all Americans Nazis before you clarified with things you didn’t actually say.
Edit: Assuming you are German, based on your previous posts, should I blame you for the recent rise of that German far-right party? Is it your fault that Elon is throwing his backing behind it? Should I start generalizing all Germans as Elon lovers now? No? I didn’t think so.
It looks like your country is becoming a victim of the same nasty machine.