Edit: And in come the down votes! How about this? You can downvote me if you completely watch “the Chekist”.
I stubbed my toe this morning, damn capitalism!
I’m not wrong, this sub just blames everything on capitalism, supports it all with slogans and cherry picked information, and everyone conveniently ignores how shit communism has worked out for the common folk since it’s inception.
How about this? Anyone who wants to know about communism should first watch “the chekist”, this sub would empty faster than Disney plus.
And yes, capitalism has loads of horrible issue that must (and can) be fixed, but everyone here conveniently ignores the simple fact that it’s the biggest system because it’s beyond by far the most successful system. Denying that is not wanting to look out of your window. Using your cell phone to write about denying that capitalism is successful is… crazy, really. Focus on fixing capititalism instead of dreaming about creating dictatorships, please?
You aren’t allowed to downvote me unless you waaaatch… let’s saaaaay The Land Before Time XIV: Journey of the Brave.
The capitalist system is large because it enriches the greedy and powerful. Why bite the hand that feeds you, even if it starves others. A system’s prevalence is also not any garuntee of goodness or fairness, just sustainability. Capitalism has beenaround for a few hundred years and it’s already falling apart. Monarchies governed almost all humans for thousands of years. So capitalism is worse than the system it replaced by your metric.
We don’t want eastern authoritarian communism, we want western socialism. Take the Nordic model and turn it up to 11. No dictators, but no billionaires, just people still working, just a little less often and getting a little more for it. That’s all. No homeless, no hungry, free university childcare and healthcare, otherwise life is not that different for the already doing okay working class.
Joke all you want, if that makes you feel better about the realities of communism
If you want communism you have to watch “the Chekist”. Not because I tell you to but because it is a telling of the red terror and shows quite well what communism works at its core. You will end up with mass murder because it’s the only way to keep the populace in line because you must take away their freedoms.
If you want your communism then first watch that, then tell me if you still want it. Think it’s western propaganda? It’s written by a guy who lived the shit you want.
You say you don’t want the dictators, but therein lies the problem. If you go for full communism, that is what you’ll need.
I’m all for a strict and limited capitalism with higher taxes the richer you get to 100% tax in income after a certain level. Tax houses heavily when you got more than one.l, that sort of thing. Use all the income for free medical care, free schools, strong safetynets and support for those at the botto, free infrastructure and public transportation.
Edit: here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RSDqBn0bA shows nicely how communism always ends up. If communism isn’t your thing, great. The problem is that too many people here love it for some reason
Capitalism isn’t democratic. Democracy is the mode of governance where control rights over an organization are assigned to those governed by or in it. In the capitalist firm, the workers are the ones governed by management, yet control rights lie with the employer
This definition captures the underlying notion.that
consensual democracy = self-government
Here is A. Chayes making a similar point:
“The shareholders were the electorate, the directors the legislature, enacting general policies and committing them to the officers for execution. Shareholder democracy, so-called, is misconceived because the shareholders are not the governed of the corporation whose consent must be sought.”
Could you explain further how having money leads to a disproportionate impact? Everyone can still vote.
You could argue that democracy doesn’t exist anywhere due to your high standards but I don’t really agree. There are worse democracies like the USA and better democracies (most others), but saying democracy doesn’t exist at all is odd (because really, are there any countries that can be considered democracies that aren’t capitalistic?)
Pretty much everyone agrees that what a lot of the western world and some others have is democracy. It doesn’t really matter what you specifically believe about that.
moneyed interests choose the candidates you are voting for. it doesnt really matter if they let you choose between the candidates they choose for you.
the US is not the only place where this happens because the US imposes their will everywhere else. its the same shit over here and most of the planet, trust me.
isnt it weird that on capitalism, a couple of corporations control half the economy?
then you are gonna have to look for it. you didnt source any of your claims either.
i tought this was obvious in the communism sub of all places but look into how the washington consensus and draconian IMF rules for the third world are imposed, and you will have a pretty good starting point for your research.
also read up on how marxists and leninists understand neocolonialism, its still relevant today.
Here’s a hot take: Both systems are shit and we need something better to replace both.
I’m not saying I have the solution; just that what we have now isn’t working very well.
That aside:
Democracy ≠ Capitalism, and Communism ≠ Dictatorship.
Those are four seprate terms that are not synonyms for each other. Just because people hate Capitalism does not mean they dream of a Dictatorship… Wanting to work together towards communal goals is not the same as wanting to be ruled by some King/Queen.
I agree that communism is not a dictatorship, but it does require one to get everyone in line.
I think the best way is a very well controlled capitalism with good taxation on the rich class to ensure you have a great and prosper economy and use the money for a great socialistic welfare system on top of that. Basically what the northwest European countries have. Add rules like “richest person should not surpass 10x the poorest person in wealth” or something oversimplified like that.
Edit: And in come the down votes! How about this? You can downvote me if you completely watch “the Chekist”.
I stubbed my toe this morning, damn capitalism!
I’m not wrong, this sub just blames everything on capitalism, supports it all with slogans and cherry picked information, and everyone conveniently ignores how shit communism has worked out for the common folk since it’s inception.
How about this? Anyone who wants to know about communism should first watch “the chekist”, this sub would empty faster than Disney plus.
And yes, capitalism has loads of horrible issue that must (and can) be fixed, but everyone here conveniently ignores the simple fact that it’s the biggest system because it’s beyond by far the most successful system. Denying that is not wanting to look out of your window. Using your cell phone to write about denying that capitalism is successful is… crazy, really. Focus on fixing capititalism instead of dreaming about creating dictatorships, please?
You aren’t allowed to downvote me unless you waaaatch… let’s saaaaay The Land Before Time XIV: Journey of the Brave.
The capitalist system is large because it enriches the greedy and powerful. Why bite the hand that feeds you, even if it starves others. A system’s prevalence is also not any garuntee of goodness or fairness, just sustainability. Capitalism has beenaround for a few hundred years and it’s already falling apart. Monarchies governed almost all humans for thousands of years. So capitalism is worse than the system it replaced by your metric.
We don’t want eastern authoritarian communism, we want western socialism. Take the Nordic model and turn it up to 11. No dictators, but no billionaires, just people still working, just a little less often and getting a little more for it. That’s all. No homeless, no hungry, free university childcare and healthcare, otherwise life is not that different for the already doing okay working class.
Joke all you want, if that makes you feel better about the realities of communism
If you want communism you have to watch “the Chekist”. Not because I tell you to but because it is a telling of the red terror and shows quite well what communism works at its core. You will end up with mass murder because it’s the only way to keep the populace in line because you must take away their freedoms.
If you want your communism then first watch that, then tell me if you still want it. Think it’s western propaganda? It’s written by a guy who lived the shit you want.
You say you don’t want the dictators, but therein lies the problem. If you go for full communism, that is what you’ll need.
I’m all for a strict and limited capitalism with higher taxes the richer you get to 100% tax in income after a certain level. Tax houses heavily when you got more than one.l, that sort of thing. Use all the income for free medical care, free schools, strong safetynets and support for those at the botto, free infrastructure and public transportation.
Edit: here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RSDqBn0bA shows nicely how communism always ends up. If communism isn’t your thing, great. The problem is that too many people here love it for some reason
is capitalism really democracy?
In the US, hard no.
In other countries, probably.
Can it be better, absolutely
Capitalism isn’t democratic. Democracy is the mode of governance where control rights over an organization are assigned to those governed by or in it. In the capitalist firm, the workers are the ones governed by management, yet control rights lie with the employer
Your definition of a democracy is interesting but also quite made up.
All definitions are made up.
This definition captures the underlying notion.that
consensual democracy = self-government
Here is A. Chayes making a similar point:
“The shareholders were the electorate, the directors the legislature, enacting general policies and committing them to the officers for execution. Shareholder democracy, so-called, is misconceived because the shareholders are not the governed of the corporation whose consent must be sought.”
Robert Dahl had a similar understanding
By you? Because that paragraph you (not you) wrote is not the made up definition of democracy.
And though everything is made up, a definition of anything is something we all agree on, not just you.
No, the financial system a country uses has technically no bearing on the political system.
But are most capitalist countries also democratic? Yes. Are there any democratic communist countries? No.
technically, no. but i dont think its democratic for money to have a disproportionate impact in the system, by definition.
Could you explain further how having money leads to a disproportionate impact? Everyone can still vote.
You could argue that democracy doesn’t exist anywhere due to your high standards but I don’t really agree. There are worse democracies like the USA and better democracies (most others), but saying democracy doesn’t exist at all is odd (because really, are there any countries that can be considered democracies that aren’t capitalistic?)
Pretty much everyone agrees that what a lot of the western world and some others have is democracy. It doesn’t really matter what you specifically believe about that.
moneyed interests choose the candidates you are voting for. it doesnt really matter if they let you choose between the candidates they choose for you.
the US is not the only place where this happens because the US imposes their will everywhere else. its the same shit over here and most of the planet, trust me.
isnt it weird that on capitalism, a couple of corporations control half the economy?
No, I don’t trust you. Provide sources please.
then you are gonna have to look for it. you didnt source any of your claims either.
i tought this was obvious in the communism sub of all places but look into how the washington consensus and draconian IMF rules for the third world are imposed, and you will have a pretty good starting point for your research.
also read up on how marxists and leninists understand neocolonialism, its still relevant today.
I didn’t really make any claims though. If you disagree what claims do you want sources for?
That asking for sources is a sin? Yeah I actually know. You people always hate that.
Here’s a hot take: Both systems are shit and we need something better to replace both.
I’m not saying I have the solution; just that what we have now isn’t working very well.
That aside:
Democracy ≠ Capitalism, and Communism ≠ Dictatorship.
Those are four seprate terms that are not synonyms for each other. Just because people hate Capitalism does not mean they dream of a Dictatorship… Wanting to work together towards communal goals is not the same as wanting to be ruled by some King/Queen.
I agree that communism is not a dictatorship, but it does require one to get everyone in line.
I think the best way is a very well controlled capitalism with good taxation on the rich class to ensure you have a great and prosper economy and use the money for a great socialistic welfare system on top of that. Basically what the northwest European countries have. Add rules like “richest person should not surpass 10x the poorest person in wealth” or something oversimplified like that.