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Can’t say I’m deep in this space, but I think there’s a lot of sentiment towards going more lean with operations and aiming for direct donation toward Firefox development (which I don’t believe is presently an option) which seemingly, if Mozilla narrowed to their core (Firefox, MDN), the community would likely show heavy support. I have my doubts it would fully cover the bill in a sustainable way, but I at least think that’s one of the main sentiments.

Not op but https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-to-run-in-alberta-byelection-1.7525104

Basically he asked a con in the highest % of con votes to step down to trigger a by-election. It’s an area where the other parties don’t even campaign, they just hand it to the cons.

There are already talks of “liberals rigged the election” so that he can deflect and not make it a personal failing that he lost a riding that’s historically always been conservative and lost a 25 point lead in the polls in a few months.

Interesting points, maybe a book I’ll have to give a read to. I’ve long thought that information overload on its own leads to a kind of subjective compression and that we’re seeing the consequences of this, plus late stage capitalism.

Basically, if we only know about 100 people and 10 events and 20 things, we have much more capacity to form nuanced opinions, like a vector with lots of values. We don’t just have an opinion about the person, our opinion toward them is the sum of opinions about what we know about them and how those relate to us.

Without enough information, you think in very concrete ways. You don’t build up much nuance, and you have clear, at least self-evident logic for your opinions that you can point at.

Hit a sweet spot, and you can form nuanced opinions based on varied experiences.

Hit too much, and now you have to compress the nuances to make room for more coarse comparisons. Now you aren’t looking at the many nuances and merits, you’re abstracting things. Necessary simulacrum.

I’ve wondered if this is where we’ve seen so much social regression, or at least being public about it. There are so many things to care about, to know, to attend to, that the only way to approach it is to apply a compression, and everyone’s worldview is their compression algorithm. What features does a person classify on?

I feel like we just aren’t equipped to handle the global information age yet, and we need specific ways of being to handle it. It really is a brand new thing for our species.

Do we need to see enough of the world to learn the nuances, then transition to tighter community focus? Do we need strong family ties early with lower outside influence, then melting pot? Are there times in our development when social bubbling is more ideal or more harmful than otherwise? I’m really curious.

Anecdotally, I feel like I benefitted a lot from tight-knit, largely anonymous online communities growing up. Learning from groups of people from all over the world of different ages and beliefs, engaging in shared hobbies and learning about different ways of life, but eventually the neurons aren’t as flexible for breadth and depth becomes the drive.

Any good options recommended for self-hosting something similarly functional that doesn’t take too much effort to get up, audit, maintain? Discovery isn’t really important for me, so federated isn’t really necessary, but a cool extra. I’d love to host something or contribute to hosting for my gaming groups, my class or multiple classes at my school, or otherwise. Voice, chat, screen share, camera, would all be great if possible, but range of options would be good. I’m still using Mumble for gaming…

Haven’t tinkered much with Matrix nor do I know much about Revolt, but I’m curious before I look into it deeper if anyone in the community has experience hosting any communication platforms for small, invitational groups.

At some point, if we aren’t already there, the tactic might be to recognize that the ship is sinking (or be pleasantly surprised it floats) and front-run another con to denounce PP to have the next election campaigning on “I was the only con who stood against PP, who lost such an incredible lead over the libs”. I’ve thought it for a bit, and seeing Ford being so vocal against PP now terrifies me given he keeps getting elected in Ontario somehow. I’m not very tuned in politically so I have no idea if this is something thay might happen, but I feel like we need a big push for “Strategic voting BUT let your liberal MPs know that you urge election reform” from day one, every day, until the next election.

Oh yeah, the 365 version is terrible. And post of the time, it could have been a Python Gradio interface or similar simple implementation without having to fight so much to make basic things work. Most of what I want Excel to do it just isn’t efficient enough for; particularly with lets and lambdas, it’s gotten quite powerful as a programming paradigm where you can visualize and manipulate your data spatially in a kind of Logo / NetLogo style way which is really interesting, but the second you reference a few thousand cells a few times even a solid CPU starts screaming.

I use Excel for a decent number of tasks and can do some magic with it, but only ever really for work where it’s easier to share a weird Excel sheet than it is to pass around a Python script (which given I teach Python, isn’t actually as often as most people experience).

But what about those of us in R1C1 mode using lambdas to do recursive cell operations across data pulled from multiple sheets? Am I anywhere near the kinda of Eldritch horrors discussed? I’ve also written indirect references based on Sheet name to populate filters from web scraped tables. I just don’t know how deep the pit goes at this point.

Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of the visual scripting, but I do consider composing nodes in the editor, connecting signals, modifying field values with sliders, having global variables in a separate editor, visual curve editors, file managers, etc. to be a form of visual scripting by a different name, and I do quite like that.

I’ve been curious how this sort of editor would work for non-game code, like making a CLI in C, C++, Kotlin, etc. Where you primarily interact with nodes and inspectors for data organization and scripts for behaviour implementation. I need to go back to Smalltalk to see some of the ideas there for alternative code organization structures.

Maybe I’m an old fogey, but I usually hear more pushback against visual languages as being too finicky to actually create anything with and I usually advocate for a blending of them, like working in Godot and having nodes to organize behaviour but written scripts to implement it.

I really appreciate the talks from Bret Victor, like Inventing on Principle (https://youtu.be/PUv66718DII), where he makes some great points about what sorts of things our tooling, in addition to the language, could do to offload some of the cognitive load while coding. I think it’s a great direction to be thinking, where it’s feasible anyways.

Also, one reason folks new to programming at least struggle with text code is that they don’t have the patterns built up. When you’re experienced and look at a block of code, you usually don’t see each keyword, you see the concept. You see a list comprehension in Python and instantly go “Oh it’s a filter”, or you see a nested loop and go “Oh it’s doing a row/column traversal of a 2d matrix”. A newbie just sees symbols and keywords and pieces each one together individually.

For those undiagnosed wondering about the accuracy of this, let’s play real ADHD bingo. Gather 5 of these and have experienced some form of it for most of your life:

• Losing and misplacing things very frequently
• Restlessness, squirming, seeming like you’re motorized
• Blurting out answers to questions before the questions are completed
• Lots of thoughtless mistakes, not focusing on details
• Avoids talks requiring extended concentration
• Struggle to wait your turn
• Overly talkative
• Forgetting daily activities

I’ll note as someone who took a long while to really accept my diagnosis: And to a distressing degree.

Like, I didn’t just forget where I put my phone regularly, I’d lose expensive electronics on my ride home from school. I’d regularly forget my backpack on my way to school. I regularly needed replacement keys for my dorm.

I wasn’t just overly talkative, I’d miss busses constantly because I couldn’t stop talking. I don’t even like people all that much, I just can’t stop. Unless it’s a topic I’m not interested in. Then it’s agony.

I didn’t just avoid unnecessary things that needed my focus; my heart would race and I’d get aggressive because I needed to checks notes copy information from one page over to another… Carefully.

I wouldn’t just cut someone off to answer them before they finished, I’d get this feeling of a ringing in my ears and internal screaming, digging my nails into my hands, to try and be nice… Before cutting them off to answer before they finished anyways, but later than I intended.

Every day.

It’s not fun. I’ve spent tens of thousands of dollars on late fees, extensions to degree because of missed deadlines, procrastinated dental bills. It’s agonizing. It’s pain. You will know what it is to talk to other people, have them go, “Oh my God, me too! Like sometimes, I clean, and I just don’t stop” and when you say, “I know, and then I’m just on the ground sweating and crying and feel like throwing up because I e been there for like 3 hours and missed my appointment” and you get the, “What’s wrong with you?” look. The ADH is often related; the Disorder, I’ve been surprised to learn over the years, often isn’t. I assumed people hid this distress, too.

Positive note for any concerns: Medication, therapy, and education are huge helpers. It isn’t perfect, things are just harder and that’s how it is, but they improve. I’m a professor, I have nearly 1000 students, 50 teaching assistants, and need to schedule, effectively, 120+ meetings and put out around 400 documents that must all line up every 4 months. It’s not hopeless, it’s just hard.

Yeah, my guess is that this post is implying the typical case - it wasn’t disrupting grades specifically, so it wasn’t diagnosed. You may have gotten those grades by staying up until 3am as a child, lying to get out of forgotten homework, had more injuries, pushed through work by building up a healthy reserve of depression and anxiety, struggled socially because you couldn’t prioritize both school and socials or because you couldn’t connect with most other people because of your way of talking, been horribly forgetful, etc. but because grades number stays high, nothing is wrong. It’s easy for people to see grades as the metric for mental wellness which is wild

From Lisa Explains it All to becoming a computer science professor I feel this in my bones.

For me, it tracks, but the caveat is a high increase in burnout accumulation. No self regulation needed? No problem. Except when you can’t self regulate healthy work amounts / dealing with demands.

Oh absolutely, I’m pretty sure I’m on the same page with this. I only pose that to someone who believes they’ve found people who respect them, and particularly those who have felt for a long time that their voice didn’t matter, it is counterproductive to approach them and their group with outward hostility.

Telling them the people who took them in and listened to them are vile, abusive, disgusting people and are exactly the problem they say everyone says you are, is just reinforcing of their views.

Consider the comment originally replied to; paraphrase because mobile is hard, “those loudest about being victimized are the most eager to take their pound of flesh”. This can easily sound like:

1. (Man) I’ve been victimized and nobody lets me voice this except for this gang/cult/militia. Cult says they should be allowed to “get support” and they know the way (it’s bad).
2. (Outsider) Claiming to be a victim usually means you are a terrible person.
3. (Man) So according to outsiders, if I seek help, I’m a bad person. According to my (cult etc) if I tell them, they will offer a form of support. I can stay with these people and get something of support, or I can leave them, be ostracized, and any attempts to voice my feelings will lead me to being labeled someone eager to take a pound of flesh.

They need to be shown that those on the outside understand them and are better people than those who took them in. They are with people whose form of empathy and respect is so distorted and toxic, but it’s the only model of that experience they know.

Your comment, upon my read, felt like anyone in that position would feel justified in their gang telling them that everyone on the outside is out to get them. If they already think everyone else is a predator, what is attacking their friends, their family, and their opinions, going to do?

They will only leave when they know they will arrive somewhere with the respect they craved without those toxic feelings they repressed during their time with a hateful group.

So I guess it’s less about the content of the comment, more of the way it represented the ideas, the timing, and the perceived intention.

I agree that much of the problem is men on men and this patriarchy - men who do not want to uphold patriarchal values can often be ostracized and demonized by those who do - but I believe OP was specifically noting that then those men who get abused and ostracized cannot speak out of seek help because many people will simply snap back at them saying that they are part of the problem and resources need to be given elsewhere. They cannot endure the abuse, and their own cohort becomes abusive, and the only way to avoid the abuse from all sides (in their view) becomes joining the “social excrement” they wanted to escape in the first place.

Angry screams tend to mask sad and lonely tears. Hatred does not end hatred; hatred ends through non-hate alone. Non-hate is not inaction, though. If we do not look at them, and ourself, with empathy and kindness and understanding and patience, they will continue living in a world devoid of and therefore ignorant to empathy and kindness and understanding and patience.