Take action: safer streets with intersection safety cameras
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On November 1, 2023, Vancouver City Council will decide whether to call for the installation of more speed and red light safety cameras at intersections in the city and have enforcement revenue be …

Hello Vancouverites, you may have heard about an upcoming motion in Vancouver council that calls for the installation of speed and red light cameras at more of the city’s high-crash intersections. On average there are 22 car crashes resulting in death/injury in the city every day. This is a public safety and public health crisis, and automated enforcement with speed and red light cameras is an effective and efficient way to make roads safer.

The motion will be considered on Wednesday, November 1st. You can help by expressing support either by emailing or speaking to council. Here’s our guide for doing so: https://visionzerovancouver.ca/intersection-safety-cameras/

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  • corsicanguppy
    122·
    1 year ago

    Red light cameras cause more rear-ender accidents. The numbers are there. They’re just a cash grab.

    Speed cameras don’t stop speeders. They’re just a slimy cash grab.

    Kudos for relabeling them as ‘traffic safety cameras’ . It reduces the people thinking critically and makes it sound oh, so good for the people.

    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
      10·
      1 year ago

      Yup. If you want safer streets, you need to reduce their size/the amount of lanes and add physical obstacles like speed bumps, roundabouts, and bollards.The plus side of the above is using that newly opened space for bike lanes or dedicated transit.

      Its much safer and much better for everyone, but the reason it doesnt happen is because it costs money instead of making money like red light and speed trap cameras.

      • Victor Villas@beehaw.orgOP
        3·
        1 year ago

        Ah definitely, if there was any chance of implementing any of those changes to any of the streets mentioned in the article, I’m all in as well. I don’t want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, though. The current city council has zero chance of any significant redesign, but cash-grabbing law enforcement should be an easier win that could already save some lives until we get better roads.

        • joshhsoj1902
          1·
          1 year ago

          The issue is more that this is neutral being the enemy of good, these cameras don’t actually help, but they let the city say they are trying to address the problem without actually addressing the problem.

          • Victor Villas@beehaw.orgOP
            2·
            1 year ago

            these cameras don’t actually help

            Don’t they, though? Most studies seem to agree they reduce fatal crashes and other types of injury.

    • Victor Villas@beehaw.orgOP
      2·
      1 year ago

      The numbers are there. They’re just a cash grab.

      Where? Seriously, all research I came in contact with shows they are effective in changing driver behaviour long-term.

      EDIT: Found this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001457513000572?via%3Dihub

      rear-end collisions were found to increase by 39%

      But also from the same study:

      • Meta-analysis finds that RLC decrease all injury crashes by 13%
      • Rear-end crashes increase, only at RLC intersections
      • RLC are most effective when not all RLC-intersections are signposted.

      So my understanding is that it’s even more effective when it’s not signposted (which is even more of a cash grab?), and although it increases rear-ends, it decreases injury crashes. That’s a net positive to me.

      Also lots of studies referenced here: https://www.iihs.org/topics/red-light-running#effectiveness-of-cameras

      And the conclusion:

      Some studies have reported that while red light safety cameras reduce front-into-side collisions and overall injury crashes, they can increase rear-end crashes. However, such crashes tend to be much less severe than front-into-side crashes, so the net effect is positive.