cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/5419055
(See screenshot. Posted in /r/gaybros on Reddit.)
Hey, thats me.
For the record, the article doesn’t mention anything about islam or Muslims, and the comments in the post neither, so the mods saw “homophobic attack” and went “better remove it because Islamophobia”
Ironically, very Islamophobic of the mods.
I figured they just read Lesbian as Lebanon/Lebanese and got confused.
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According to other comments here, it’s more an LGB subreddit.
Brains are weird sometimes.
Mods are like: hey, sorry we had to delete your post. Blame the Muslims!
Maybe the mods have been on the internet for more than a week and knows what happens in those sorts of comment sections and don’t want to sit at their computers all day dealing with that shit?
Do any of you people think before screaming injustice and reverse racism?
I mean if you were going to guess the religion of those involved… yeah, Islam would be the one right?
Moderations pretty hard tbh, sorry your post got taken down bro.
I’ve heard absolute loads of homophobic BS from Christians and especially anti-trans stuff lately, so fuck off with the singling out Islam bigotry. All religious people are capable of hate, as much as they claim to be above it all (at least the ones dumb enough to openly express hate).
I agree with you that all religions are shit, but I think it’s important and we should be able to point out when a specific religion is fucking us up.
In Berlin there has been a lot of homophobic attacks coming from the muslim community, especially in that area where there are a lot of them.
Maybe you were unware of that, but I think its very very likely that the attackers were muslims.
That doesn’t mean that Christianity is better, nor any other religion, but do we really need to be pointing out the homophobia in the muslim religion and ALWAYS followed by and Christianity is also shitty? There are posts criticizing the homophobic and transphobic acts that Christians have been doing lately too.
Okay but give me one theocratic Christian country that openly kills people for being gay. We’re not going to abolish bigotry in the world without admitting that the Middle East and Islam is especially fucked up when it comes to LGBT rights
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Russia is a theocracy
Thanks lol, this is the laugh I needed today
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That’s not what a theocracy is. Plenty of politicians around the world use religion to gain support from the public. Some of the only surviving theocracies exist only in the Middle East.
Religion is a useful tool for Putin, but he isn’t subservient to any religious leader.
Source: CIA
In Berlin it’s basically given the perpetrators were Muslims.
yes but if you read the article linked in the reddit theread anouther comment mentioned this was in Berlin-Neukölln, which is predominantly muslim and known to have issues with (esp. young men/boys) radicals opposing queer people.
Yes, but if you read my message again, it’s responding to someone attempting to claim Islam is worse. It is not.
I seriously hope the US doesn’t have to go ALL the way down the road of fascism to prove to the world that Christians are just as bigoted and stupid. Just because our news refuses to label so many hate crimes and acts of violence as bigoted hate crimes does not absolve non-Islam religions.
I totally agree that christians (or any religion/religion-like structure) can be and in the case of Christianity often is just as bad.
it’s responding to someone claiming islam is worse that’s not how I read the comment. I read it as in this case it would make sense to assume the attackers were muslims. My response was intended to say that in this exact case that would probably be a reasonable assumption.
I want to make it clear that I do not think that it is generally significantly more likely for the islam faith to cause queerphobia than it would be for any other one. It is just that in this particular region (Berlin-Neukölln) and demographic (young men) that would be the most likely perputrators.
The vast majority of anti-LGBT attacks in Europe, or even Germany specifically, are not Muslim.
We got sources on that?
You can single out both Islam and Christianity, as these are the main fundamentalist “big” religions with anti-LGBT+ actors. No other religion has mass haters towards LGBT+ crowd.
In India both Hindu and Sikh community’s have avid followers who’ve done homophobic attacks, they don’t get as much attention because of all the other violence they do such as against women
I am from India. There are incidents, but very uncommon, because LGBT people have existed as “kinnar/hijda” for centuries here. There are no active organisations or groups that hate LGBT people. It is not because of patriarchy against women. Both groups do not have to be oppressed and binded together everywhere in the world, just because Christianity and Islam dominated countries oppress both women and LGBT crowds.
I’ve had many long conversations with a gay Indian friend, his experiences really don’t match the rose tinted version of things you’re portraying.
And of course we don’t even need to go into the treatment of women everywhere but the middle class portions of the nose progressive cities, everyone is very well aware of the problems.
Homophobia is not a religion-only issue. There are many LGBT hate crimes happening all over the world and all the time. The world in its entirity has failed LGBT, and to single out Muslims or Christians is to ignore those issues happening in other places.
My reply was only for the above comment, not for the overall situation, since they were talking in the context of religion, where only one religion was supposed to be bad.
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Christians are obsessed with persecuting LGBT as well, but Islam is on a whole other level. People are still getting stoned to death for being LGBT in Muslim countries. This is supported by their laws. In any Christian majority country, they would be thrown in prison for murder for doing this, at the very least. In some Muslim countries, you would be thrown in prison for trying to stop the murder.
I’m not saying that Christians never commit acts of violence against LGBT, but Muslims do so a lot more in current times.
In my opinion, the world would be better off without all of the Abrahamic religions. Is being an Abrahamicphobe wrong?
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I do think they are salivating to do the same. They just aren’t in charge of any countries. Not all Muslims are bad either, but a good chunk of the worst ones seem to be in charge of some whole countries in an authoritarian way. That’s the difference.
I said that both are terrible for the world, and I hate them both equally. I have Islamic family, and I still hate it.
Also, idk why you had to downvote me. Just conversating here. Just sharing the fact that, in reality, LGBT are being killed by one group in particular. Hope you have a nice day ya crabapple.
Sure it could be. Just wondering are you a muslim? I mean I know that there are progressive muslims. Not trying to attack you or anything :)
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Which is a load of bullshit: https://old.reddit.com/r/de/comments/16ngwke/berlin_lesbisches_paar_von_jugendlichen/
Been up an entire day with more than 1k upvotes on the German subreddit. Maybe ask what agenda your mod is trying to push there.I’m guessing the agenda is “this is definitely going to lead to a bunch of anti-islamic discussion in the comment section, and I don’t want to deal with all that (with limited mod tools)”
I’d put more blame on reddit administration than the mod who’s trying to play the safe side to keep the sub in existence.
That could’ve been a very different and still valid response though.
To be fair, it’s in German. Entirely likely whatever automated flagging the admins used on the other post isn’t working on non-English ones.
Still, it’s a fair thing to point out.
If it is an automated thing then you can still file an appeal, but the mods pretty clearly acted on their own accord here.
Different subs get different rules, unfortunately. The anarchism sub was constantly being threatened with being shut down if they didn’t self censor stuff that was fine anywhere else in Reddit, for example.
My cultural identity is based around freedom to acknowledge reality, and this genuinely offends me to my core. Maybe acknowledging reality should be made into a religion of some sort so it can be given similar protections? What would be a good name though? Sentientness? Existence?
I wanted to make a parody religion called “the church of slitting the throat of random bystanders on the street”, to make fun of doing harm and limiting the freedom of others under the name of religion. Would be also a good basis for some comedy/action-thriller movie/whatever, wgere a serial killer manages to legalize his killing spree by making it a religion.
Objectivism?
That one may be taken by people you don’t want to be associated with…
How about Common Sense?
Unfortunately, common sense is often the opposite of reality.
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Reddit at its best.
That’s really insidious
Wow. From r/GayBros? Srsly?
They were notoriously one of the more openly mysgonstic and “drop the t” of the queer subs. That’s kinda wild honestly.
one of the more openly mysgonstic and “drop the t” of the queer subs
I was subscribed there for years and never saw a word of that…
Well I don’t know what to tell you aside from seeing a lot of posts on trans subs where OP would be like
Why do gay men hate trans women? I got told by someone in a LGBTQIA+ sub that I was just a a confused gay guy?
And the comments would be filled with people guessing
“This was /GayBros wasn’t it? They are like that, Gay men as a whole aren’t.”
I won’t argue with your experience, but at minimum that sub DEFINITELY had a reputation.
Redditors are known for making up random stuff just to cause drama.
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They never expected the brownshirts to come for them, i guess.
you may be confusing r/GayBros for r/askgaybros. Roughly the same size and spelling, but only one of them has a strong reputation for transphobia.
Oooooh maybe! Thanks for the clarification!
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c/leopardsatemyface material? 🤔
Please remember things like this when you say “hate speech isn’t free speech”. I wouldn’t put it past the Republicans to claim that pro-LGBT+ or pro-choice is hate speech against Christians.
Classic reddit
The post says nothing about Muslims, but please proceed to blame Muslims because mod said so.
Literally nobody in this thread is blaming Muslims. Please stop with the knee jerk reactions.
I didn’t talk about people in this thread. Sorry it wasn’t clear. I’m only talking about the mod
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Enlighten us
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Phobic in this sense means aversion to/repellant. You don’t think hydrophobic materials are afraid of water, right?
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Second part was: “seriously why is it called ___phobic, doesn’t make sense?”
Reddit moment
