Well, I like playing video games and this will affect the video games I like playing.
I’m not a game developer, but if Unity got everyone to roll over with that TOS change I’m sure that devs would use this as a new justification to increase costs for games or higher subscription fees for services like Gamepass.
It’s important to be invested and informed in the things that matter to you.
Yeah, but through like two to three layers of abstraction. I like beer, but I don’t give a shit about the contractual details of malt distribution. Games are still gonna be made, this is just something for people to project their impotent rage at.
Well shit. Some people actually care about the people who produce whatever it is you consume. It’s crazy, I know. If the people who are growing the malt for my beer, or processing it, or delivering it, or whatever… are getting screwed over I would be equally concerned. But by all means, continue to be a consumer pacman just gobbling up whatever it is that falls in front of your face. That’s what the world is trying to mold you into anyway. Why fight it?
Oh please get over yourself. If you consume games you are already actively supporting the screwing over of people in like five different industries the world over. This price hike in one piece of software is just your “thing” to get righteously mad about this week.
Hi. I’m a brewer. You might not care about malt distribution but maybe you can understand that a lot of breweries run on small margins. If we suddenly have to pay a lot more for malt we will either have to raise our prices or go out of business. Raising prices might also drive us out of business because less people will be inclined to buy our beer. So it does affect you as a consumer, whether you care or not.
Except it becomes your problem if beer suddenly starts getting priced higher and higher and higher over time to the point where you can’t afford it anymore?
If the contractual details of malt distribution were going to affect the quality of beers you were getting then you absolutely would care. Unity’s pay scheme will lead to studios shutting down if there isn’t pushback. Studios switching to a different engine like Godot will make their games feel different for better or for worse and efforts to help fund these alternate engines will help tip the scale towards that being “for better”.
But most importantly of all, this is a company using toxic and predatory practices. Regardless of the industry (yes, malt distributors too), if we don’t push back against toxic business practices, then companies in many different industries will see avenues they can take advantage of to make extra money. These ideas don’t hang in isolation. If Unity’s scheme works, other businesses will learn from it. This is the reality of capitalism. Whatever methods can turn a profit without generating negative attention will be employed. It’s in the hands of consumers, competing businesses, and the government to keep those toxic practices in check. I mean, why the fuck are we on Lemmy? Ultimately Reddit’s actions are not going to affect the majority of users on their platform. Most of us came here to protest shitty business practices.
@GCostanzaStepOnMe@Gray difference here is unity is going after the wallets of corps with cash. While the indie level solidarity is good, it’s showing the real market makers they can fight this AND get good PR for it.
I like coffee, but I prefer to source my beans from places I can trust. People lost trust in Unity so they ain’t gonna use the engine anymore. Blown out of proportion? Yeah maybe, but I agree with the core concept
This is not a great comparison tbh. Unity are not distributing a resource, you could rather compare them to a company building the motor for the car you use.
Even as the end customer, their product is clearly perceivable and distinguishable from competitors’ products. You don’t need to build cars to have an opinion on Unity motors and the ethics of their business. And if they fuck every contractor over and abuse their power in the market to retroactively charge additional fees for every time someone starts a car with their motor in it, of course you would be directly hit with the consequences as a customer.
Therefore, it is justified to not leave this discussion to car manufacturers, but to 1. let unity motors know that they can go fuck themselves and 2. to support more ethical motor manufacturers in the future by buying cars built with them.
I read today that about half the games are made with unity, imagine if most of those pulled the games you purchased so it can’t be installed again. That is a huge hit to gaming.
7 Days to Die, Escape from Tarkov, Wasteland 2, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Cities: Skylines, Dungeons 3, Cult of the Lamb, Endless Space 1 and 2, Outerwilds,
Well they obviously won’t. It’s always the same with these things, they either come to terms, or the producers will pay up, or the reports are overblown or whatever. Just like reddit didn’t lose half its userbase after the API switch, or Youtube doesn’t crumble because everyone throws a fit when they add another commercial slot and swears to move to “pipetube” or whatever (lol). But thank god we’re all really really invested in something that is essentially corporate politics.
It’s not corporate politics if it’s going to have an effect on the end users. You’d be surprised at how big of an impact this will have, if they don’t backpedal this and cancel it entirely, and even if they do it could still an impact.
Yeah? Even ignoring how the results of this will determine how companies try this is the future (because they WILL), this shit is like classical Greek drama, watching someone fall because of their hubris.
Very funny how invested people are in this.
Well, I like playing video games and this will affect the video games I like playing.
I’m not a game developer, but if Unity got everyone to roll over with that TOS change I’m sure that devs would use this as a new justification to increase costs for games or higher subscription fees for services like Gamepass.
It’s important to be invested and informed in the things that matter to you.
Yeah, but through like two to three layers of abstraction. I like beer, but I don’t give a shit about the contractual details of malt distribution. Games are still gonna be made, this is just something for people to project their impotent rage at.
I’m not a game dev but I’m a dev so I can easily see how this can affect them.
If you’re uninterested that’s fine, no need to insult those that do.
Well shit. Some people actually care about the people who produce whatever it is you consume. It’s crazy, I know. If the people who are growing the malt for my beer, or processing it, or delivering it, or whatever… are getting screwed over I would be equally concerned. But by all means, continue to be a consumer pacman just gobbling up whatever it is that falls in front of your face. That’s what the world is trying to mold you into anyway. Why fight it?
Oh please get over yourself. If you consume games you are already actively supporting the screwing over of people in like five different industries the world over. This price hike in one piece of software is just your “thing” to get righteously mad about this week.
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I just set myself a timer for a month to remind me to ask you about your opinions on this topic. I’m sure you’ll still be heavily invested by then.
You’re cute. I like you.
Hi. I’m a brewer. You might not care about malt distribution but maybe you can understand that a lot of breweries run on small margins. If we suddenly have to pay a lot more for malt we will either have to raise our prices or go out of business. Raising prices might also drive us out of business because less people will be inclined to buy our beer. So it does affect you as a consumer, whether you care or not.
We live in a society. Everything affects the consumer, doesn’t mean I have to care about everything. Distribution of malt is your problem, not mine.
Yes. Everything affects the consumer. That’s why some consumers care about it. I don’t understand why you can’t wrap your head around that.
Wow you’re so detached and cool bro… like you just don’t care.
Wow bro that’s so cool of you how you don’t care about things, can I suck you off or do you not care about that either
Uh, I totally don’t care about anything either.
I feel like there’s a sinister plot inside of this post.
Except it becomes your problem if beer suddenly starts getting priced higher and higher and higher over time to the point where you can’t afford it anymore?
If the contractual details of malt distribution were going to affect the quality of beers you were getting then you absolutely would care. Unity’s pay scheme will lead to studios shutting down if there isn’t pushback. Studios switching to a different engine like Godot will make their games feel different for better or for worse and efforts to help fund these alternate engines will help tip the scale towards that being “for better”.
But most importantly of all, this is a company using toxic and predatory practices. Regardless of the industry (yes, malt distributors too), if we don’t push back against toxic business practices, then companies in many different industries will see avenues they can take advantage of to make extra money. These ideas don’t hang in isolation. If Unity’s scheme works, other businesses will learn from it. This is the reality of capitalism. Whatever methods can turn a profit without generating negative attention will be employed. It’s in the hands of consumers, competing businesses, and the government to keep those toxic practices in check. I mean, why the fuck are we on Lemmy? Ultimately Reddit’s actions are not going to affect the majority of users on their platform. Most of us came here to protest shitty business practices.
I’m here because I’m permad on reddit. And reddit will be fine, we can stop pretending that a bunch of Linux nerds jumping ship makes a difference.
Well that explains it.
@GCostanzaStepOnMe @Gray difference here is unity is going after the wallets of corps with cash. While the indie level solidarity is good, it’s showing the real market makers they can fight this AND get good PR for it.
I like coffee, but I prefer to source my beans from places I can trust. People lost trust in Unity so they ain’t gonna use the engine anymore. Blown out of proportion? Yeah maybe, but I agree with the core concept
Yeah but YOU consume the beans. The only difference the engine makes is the logo on startup.
…what. He just made an analogy about not consuming unethical beans. That’s literally his point. So no, he does not consume the beans.
This is not a great comparison tbh. Unity are not distributing a resource, you could rather compare them to a company building the motor for the car you use. Even as the end customer, their product is clearly perceivable and distinguishable from competitors’ products. You don’t need to build cars to have an opinion on Unity motors and the ethics of their business. And if they fuck every contractor over and abuse their power in the market to retroactively charge additional fees for every time someone starts a car with their motor in it, of course you would be directly hit with the consequences as a customer. Therefore, it is justified to not leave this discussion to car manufacturers, but to 1. let unity motors know that they can go fuck themselves and 2. to support more ethical motor manufacturers in the future by buying cars built with them.
I read today that about half the games are made with unity, imagine if most of those pulled the games you purchased so it can’t be installed again. That is a huge hit to gaming.
7 Days to Die, Escape from Tarkov, Wasteland 2, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Cities: Skylines, Dungeons 3, Cult of the Lamb, Endless Space 1 and 2, Outerwilds,
Well they obviously won’t. It’s always the same with these things, they either come to terms, or the producers will pay up, or the reports are overblown or whatever. Just like reddit didn’t lose half its userbase after the API switch, or Youtube doesn’t crumble because everyone throws a fit when they add another commercial slot and swears to move to “pipetube” or whatever (lol). But thank god we’re all really really invested in something that is essentially corporate politics.
It’s not corporate politics if it’s going to have an effect on the end users. You’d be surprised at how big of an impact this will have, if they don’t backpedal this and cancel it entirely, and even if they do it could still an impact.
Stop feeding the dipshit. Not worth your energy.
Yeah? Even ignoring how the results of this will determine how companies try this is the future (because they WILL), this shit is like classical Greek drama, watching someone fall because of their hubris.