• Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    Veganism doesn’t involve only a diet in opposite to vegetarianism and being puritan as you tell, doesn’t mean that you are fundamentalist. You do as far as possible.

    Vegetarianism is not any improvement over that given the possibilities in that area (food) and other not taken into account in which non-human animals are still slaves and doesn’t solve the background issues I named before like speciesm, etc

    I don’t know why people have ideas like “veganism involves just a diet” or “veganism is fundamentalist” or similar and even mix both concepts in a different sense like if there was a puritan veganism (fundamentalism) and the normal veganism (the diet).

    Veganism is, itself, the minimum you can do for animal rights, not the maximum, the minimum, bare minimum. Nor vegetarianism, etc.

    That is why I put it as example in this case with Facebook.

    Your discourse over improvement shows a typical ordinary falacy which use to be called “everything counts” in which the user of it introduces information that doesn’t help for the issue and justify it as that.

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      3 years ago

      If I own ten chickens and I kill and eat three, is that morally equivalent in your mind to owning ten chickens and killing and eating seven?

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        3 years ago

        In both cases the user who is going to eat kill them to be their food, it is exactly the same issue.

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          3 years ago

          I don’t get how it avoids the background issue. You can be principally against killing any chickens and still recognize a situation where fewer chickens die as preferable.

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            3 years ago

            The case is out of any contextualized situation.

            I set that you respect other animals’ rights and fight for them in the maximum possible and this is not a situation where the person has two options and all the world is involved on it to solve that. And the idea is improve that situation with the effort and the time to avoid the issues happen again.

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              3 years ago

              Yes my comment is not in context, it’s a general statement about what is preferable. I was just initially saying that it’s possible, even though it is disgusting and signifies a decline in childhood well-being, that a facebook for only children might be a net improvement in the world.