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Introducing the song that gives the tour its name, he said: “In my home, the America I love, the America I’ve written about, that has been a beacon of hope and liberty for 250 years, is currently in the hands of a corrupt, incompetent and treasonous administration. Tonight, we ask all who believe in democracy and the best of our American experiment to rise with us, raise your voices against authoritarianism and let freedom ring!”
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I think “rogue government” is exactly how the oligarchs see it, except it’s rogue government for them and not for the people.
The boss is right.
Wait, Bruce Springsteen from Community?
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO END IT!
An uprising, unfortunately.
I know it won’t be peaceful protests at the weekends.
History has shown that dictators and authoritarians, etc, don’t give a crap about those things. They laugh at them.
And that they don’t and won’t stop, or leave, peacefully.The people of the us have two basic options: fight it or accept it.
Bruce Springsteen is right.
I love Bruce Springsteen, while I don’t know what system he thinks is best I have spent a lot of time listening to his song “Shackled and Drawn”.
The 4D chess of it all is, publicly criticizing Trump now sounds the same as Fox News and MAGA have sounded since Obama took office 15 years ago.
The strategy has always been to declare all these terrible things are already happening and make the public numb to hearing this rhetoric. Then later, when they take office, they can just do those things and the public doesn’t know how to react, because half the population was already mentally there. You say “Trump is corrupt! He’s destroying the country!” and people just say, “mhm, the president is corrupt, what else is new?” and go back to scrolling social media.
It’s the end-game for the Whataboutism strategy that the GOP has been leaning on for decades.
Idk I feel like Bruce has been pretty on point at least for the last few years. A lot of his songs going back decades are very anti-corporate and draw from historic events where greed ruled over morality.
I think you took away a different meaning from my comment than I intended.
Yeah, by starting with “The 4D chess of it all” you kind of implied that the people speaking out against Trump, Springsteen in this case, was either intentionally or unwittingly enabling them by normalizing the situation.
Well, he’s quite right, isn’t he!?
He is but I really don’t give a shit about what he has to say. How is this news?
I am inclined to give half an ear to the guy who wrote “Born in the USA”, a song repeatedly misunderstood by a certain political party.
Yes, Born in the USA is by no means a patriotic anthem, but rather a critical song about the miserable situation of veterans and workers in the US. The MAGA people are just too stupid to understand that.
Springsteen has repeatedly criticized the fact that the song is being misused in this way and has long been a vocal critic of Drump.
If enough prominent figures in Nazi Germany stood up and said something in the early 30s, then millions upon millions of people may not have died.
Because he’s a wildly successful musician about whom a lot of people care.
I feel like we shouldn’t care this much about the opinions of entertainers. That’s kinda how trump got elected in the first place
Well, everyone’s voice should matter - and the voice of a guy with millions of fans, from an older generation, and whose most famous song often gets co-opted by MAGAts, should definitely matter. I appreciate him and De Niro in particular for speaking up so vehemently.
The problem is their voice matters more than they should. I get your point but there are voices more knowledgeable that we should listen to. The minimum I feel they should use their celebrity to amplify voices like those
I know what you mean, but I don’t agree in this case. We do live in an idiocracy where our minds have been numbed by the proliferation of mindless reality telly, and I wouldn’t care to hear the opinions of Paradise Hotel contestant #967. But art is and always has been politics, and Springsteen - known for being a champion of the working man - has had his art co-opted by MAGAts for many years. Thus, hearing him take a stance against them is very much relevant and something that I want to hear. Especially on a personal level being from a country continually demeaned and threatened by MAGA America.
It’s politics, not rocket science or medicine. You don’t need to have a fancy degree or hundreds of dusty books on your bookshelf to have an opinion on the direction that your (previously democratic) country is taking. Politics is first and foremost based on feelings; so-called experts also strongly disagree on literally everything. And, at least in theory, it’s your right, and the expectation, that a citizen of a democracy engages in politics, stays updated, and has an opinion. It’s your privilege to have a platform on which you can influence others when you have a large enough following.
The minute we stop listening to artists and other represantatives of the public sphere that’s when autocracy and plutocracy will truly defeat us.
Bruce Springsteen is worth over $500 million so champion of the working man is a stretch. Honestly him saying anything will change very little and like with most celebrities (or the rich in general) lobbying congress would be a lot better than just saying, “I don’t like trump”. These type of entertainers have the means to impact politics with meaningful actions but all they do is the bare minimum. Empty words that won’t effect their bottom line
And you probably should listen to ppl with fancy degrees when it comes to politics. History is our guide to not make the same mistakes over and over again. Understanding politics, the long term effects of introducing laws, how government actually operates, etc is important and we should all listen to ppl who study these. If ppl did maga supporters would actually know the financial aid we send other countries makes up less than 1% of the federal budget. The idea of rejecting experts or dismissing the intelligent is why we live in an idiocracy.
Politics DEFINITELY SHOULDN’T be based on feelings. It should based on logic, morals, and the greater good. Our current government came to be because ppl voted with their feelings instead of logic. I like trump because he tells it like it is, I feel like he’s a good person, I feel like America isn’t respected like it should be, I feel like I won’t be deported, I feel like he doesn’t believe in project 2025. Fox News preyed on their feelings of fear and anger. If ppl used logic, listened to political experts, or watched any news outside of Fox News we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Maybe i would’ve listened to artist like Frank Zappa, or James Baldwin but today’s entertainers are brands that will do anything to not to rock the boat. Celebrities, especially now, DO NOT represent the public sphere. They’re more worried about upsetting their sponsors. Bruce Springsteen isn’t courageous for saying this. He’s got a $500 million bullet proof vest. He’s got fuck you money and funny enough he’ll benefit from whatever happens anyway. He’s no Muhammad Ali
To the masses it seems to have been news. Why else would they have elected him … again? ¯\_(o_°)_/¯
They elected Bruce Springsteen?
Would have been a much better choice for president, in spite of his lack of qualifications (not that Trump was ever qualified) and interest in getting the job.
Some even argue that the latter should be a requirement…
They elected trump because of Bruce Springsteen?
Sighs and leaves …
Do you know what news is? Interesting things that happen. The boss of country music expressing hate for the right is very interesting.
Because a bunch of morons take their political cues from celebrities. It’s good to have celebrities on the sane side of things so maybe those idiots start voting in a sane way.
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I didn’t need the Boss to tell me that to know it but I appreciate him speaking out. Wish more people had the guts like I don’t know our elected officials
Multiple articles of impeachment being filed this soon in a president’s term ins unprecedented, the resistance is in congress they’re just outnumbered. If Dems swept midterms then we’d see it go straight to vote, but even then without a really solid majority the chances of removal are slim to none without some Republican Defectors, which will not happen.
Annnnnnnd boomers hate Springsteen now.
Countdown to Faux News bashing the “antisemite, American hating, Hamas supporter, communist Springsteen.”
Really? Boomers? You do realize boomers were hippies, right? And that the mean age for federal workers means that most are 44. Fully millennial.
It’s just a mouthful to have to parse out every segment of that generation that is cool when his audience, and the people most likely to get mad about him, are of the boomer generation.
I’m not sure what the federal worker bit has to do with it. It was mostly a joke in that the people most likely to be his fans are boomers, he comes out and says what he did, and now they hate him.
the people most likely to be his fans are boomers
Be careful there. You’re dangerously close to falling into the trap of blindly labeling anyone older than you a “boomer” and using the term disparagingly to paint a broad stroke that isn’t justified.
According to Wikipedia, Baby Boomers are the generation “often defined as people born from 1946 to 1964 during the mid-20th century baby boom that followed the end of World War II.”
They are followed by Generation X, which is “generally defined as people born from 1965 to 1980”
“Born in the USA” was recorded in 1984
The oldest “boomers” at this point were nearing 40 years old. Some of the oldest Gen Xers were already in college. So one could easily argue that most of his fans are probably Gen Xers.
and the people most likely to get mad about him, are of the boomer generation.
Here’s a few things that the “boomer generation” is known for that you may not be aware (just to barely scratch the surface).
Bruce Springsteen (a boomer) has never been shy about his views on these kinds of things. His actual fans are fully aware and still fans. This isn’t him surprising them with some radical statement out of nowhere. This is him reminding them of what they already knew and asking them to continue to fight the good fight.
ETA: Another notable boomer was arrested this week protesting a congressional hearing.
The older you are at the moment, the more statistically likely your demographic aligns with Trump, the more hateful and biggoted you are likely to be.
Maybe the Good Boomers died out, or maybe the lead in the water or the cable news monopoly has rewired their brains. Maybe they were always disproportionately represented/covered by the media and historians.
Jesus Christ! Look at your own chart and actually read it! Look at the bottom 3 lines. 43%, 46%, 39%. That’s millions of people that you’re straight faced pretending don’t exist.
Maybe the Good Boomers died out
No! They’re right there in your chart! Voting! Protesting! Getting arrested for protesting! Fucking hell!
Did some drift to the right? Sure. But that doesn’t mean that the rest of them cease to exist. The same thing is already happening to your generation, whatever it is. If you happen to be one of the measly 46% still on the left when you’re in your 70’s, I’m sure you won’t have any complaints when people tell you that you don’t exist, anymore. I mean, 46% of 30ish million people is only… what… 5 or 6 people? Maybe a dozen at most? I don’t know, you do the math.
Every protest I’ve been to so far this year (Hands Off, May Day, multiple Saturday mornings in front of the Tesla dealership, plus a few others) has been overwhelmingly people between 50 and 80. Where were all the younger generations at? I can tell you from personal experience where some of them were. They were driving by flipping us off. Where were you?
Yeah, if you put 10 boomers in a room then 6 are the enemy. This ain’t rocket science, pal. Fuck boomers.
thank you. you showed it much better than I did.
Guess he’ll get arrested when he returns?
”Beacon of liberty“ is a bit strong when you have a rich history of segregation and slavery for a big portion of the population.
So, you’re saying, “why try, because it was never that good anyway” ?
Is that your point or am I misreading it?
Yeah you misread what I meant at least. Springsteen, according to the quote, says the America he sings of has been a beacon of liberty for 250 years, which obviously isn’t an accurate depiction. The vision and ideal was liberty for all and a right to pursuit of happiness, but with some very troubling caveats that put a huge stain on those ideals.
The man, the legend
The Boss
But what does Ja Rule think?
Where is Ja!?
Ja Rule Balgruuf is not receiving any visitors.
Boss
I’m Springsteen is THE Boss, so. …
