Those right wingers are just there to be contrarian and will show up anywhere someone is willing tog ive them a platform. They’re also skewing the narrative to make anyone antiwar sound like they align with the right wing when you try to argue with liberals about it. Every single time I question that war to meat space liberals they go right to calling me a republican trumpet.
Of course they are, and because they’re monopolizing anti-war narrative that’s where the public will turn once faith in liberalism collapses. Meanwhile, look at the thread with poVoq here to see what I’m talking about regarding the anarchist position. It’s indistinguishable from the neoliberal rhetoric about the war.
So side with the fascists as long as they align with your echo chamber? Allow the public sentiment to move further right as you platform their narratives. That doesn’t sound like the right move, no pun intended.
You really don’t see how fucked up this framing is. Being against war is not siding with the fascists, it’s having basic human decency. Using that logic, since the fascists are against current neoliberal system as well, then the left should support that too right?
In what world is siding with NATO ghouls a more reasonable position than opposing the war. Why do anarchists claim that the left can’t have its own independent anti war position?
I didn’t say anti war means siding with fascists. I said giving fascists a platform in any context is aligning yourself with them, whatever ideas you agree on.
I also never said siding with NATO is a good thing, and everyone I know who calls themselves an anarchist has been calling out their bullshit as well.
What I am saying is that calling all anarchists collectively NATO shills is not helping your argument and only serves to alienate potential allies against capital. You likely have more common ground with them than the fascists being platformed at things such as ‘rage against the war machine’. Oh also the rage against the machine title is super fucking cringe. Reminds me of magas dancing to killing in the name at the trump rallies.
Nowhere am I advocating siding or aligning with fascists. My whole complaint is that western left failed to put up its own independent anti-war position, and now the fascists have monopolized it. The worse the economic blow back gets the more people will become disillusioned with the war and they will listen to the people who are rallying against it right now. Surely you see how dangerous that is right?
I understand that there are anarchists who are against the war and understand that NATO created this crisis. However, there there are also plenty of anarchists like povoq who are parroting NATO propaganda, and there hasn’t been any coherent public position against the war from any major anarchist organizations that I’m aware of.
I’m mostly just deeply disappointed by the position western left has taken on this war, and I’m genuinely concerned about what’s going to happen going forward once it becomes clear that this war was a debacle. Compare this to how the left reacted to the war in Vietnam for contrast.
Those right wingers are just there to be contrarian and will show up anywhere someone is willing tog ive them a platform. They’re also skewing the narrative to make anyone antiwar sound like they align with the right wing when you try to argue with liberals about it. Every single time I question that war to meat space liberals they go right to calling me a republican trumpet.
Of course they are, and because they’re monopolizing anti-war narrative that’s where the public will turn once faith in liberalism collapses. Meanwhile, look at the thread with poVoq here to see what I’m talking about regarding the anarchist position. It’s indistinguishable from the neoliberal rhetoric about the war.
So side with the fascists as long as they align with your echo chamber? Allow the public sentiment to move further right as you platform their narratives. That doesn’t sound like the right move, no pun intended.
You really don’t see how fucked up this framing is. Being against war is not siding with the fascists, it’s having basic human decency. Using that logic, since the fascists are against current neoliberal system as well, then the left should support that too right?
In what world is siding with NATO ghouls a more reasonable position than opposing the war. Why do anarchists claim that the left can’t have its own independent anti war position?
I didn’t say anti war means siding with fascists. I said giving fascists a platform in any context is aligning yourself with them, whatever ideas you agree on.
I also never said siding with NATO is a good thing, and everyone I know who calls themselves an anarchist has been calling out their bullshit as well.
What I am saying is that calling all anarchists collectively NATO shills is not helping your argument and only serves to alienate potential allies against capital. You likely have more common ground with them than the fascists being platformed at things such as ‘rage against the war machine’. Oh also the rage against the machine title is super fucking cringe. Reminds me of magas dancing to killing in the name at the trump rallies.
Nowhere am I advocating siding or aligning with fascists. My whole complaint is that western left failed to put up its own independent anti-war position, and now the fascists have monopolized it. The worse the economic blow back gets the more people will become disillusioned with the war and they will listen to the people who are rallying against it right now. Surely you see how dangerous that is right?
I understand that there are anarchists who are against the war and understand that NATO created this crisis. However, there there are also plenty of anarchists like povoq who are parroting NATO propaganda, and there hasn’t been any coherent public position against the war from any major anarchist organizations that I’m aware of.
I’m mostly just deeply disappointed by the position western left has taken on this war, and I’m genuinely concerned about what’s going to happen going forward once it becomes clear that this war was a debacle. Compare this to how the left reacted to the war in Vietnam for contrast.